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Feb 01, 2013, 10:54 AM
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Freedom Of Press Index 2013


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The same three European countries that headed the index last year hold the top three positions again this year. For the third year running, Finland has distinguished itself as the country that most respects media freedom. It is followed by the Netherlands and Norway. Although many criteria are considered, ranging from legislation to violence against journalists, democratic countries occupy the top of the index while dictatorial countries occupy the last three positions. Again it is the same three as last year – Turkmenistan, North Korea and Eritrea.
Out of the 179 countries which most LTUP posters live in, in comparison to last years rankings:

Canada drops 10 places to 20th.
UK drops 1 place to 29th
US rises 15 places to 32nd
Israel drops 20 places to 129th

The biggest mover is Mali, which drops 74 places to 99th.

http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html

Dusty
Feb 01, 2013, 11:01 AM
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In 2010, the UK was at #19.

Obviously a wild survey.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by madsci_guy
In 2010, the UK was at #19.

Obviously a wild survey.
Why does that mean it's a wild survey?
Feb 01, 2013, 11:11 AM
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Why does that mean it's a wild survey?
The numbers vary widely from year to year for many countries.

That means that no one should take a single year's results as even remotely indicative of anything.

Statistics, everyone thinks they know what they are, but almost everyone misuses them.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by madsci_guy
The numbers vary widely from year to year for many countries.

That means that no one should take a single year's results as even remotely indicative of anything.

Statistics, everyone thinks they know what they are, but almost everyone misuses them.
Yet for other countries, they remain the same.

The fact that they do vary ''wildly'' for some countries, could just as easily be an indication of how close some countries are to each other, in that it doesn't take much for them to move a few places.

Dusty
Feb 01, 2013, 11:18 AM
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I am surprised the US is in as high a place as it is with all the media corruption we have.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dusty1000
Yet for other countries, they remain the same.
When the US., the UK and Canada, vary widely, that should be a clue.

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The fact that they do vary ''wildly'' for some countries, could just as easily be an indication of how close some countries are to each other, in that it doesn't take much for them to move a few places.
Proving that such a ranking is meaningless.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:27 AM
Flower of Scotland
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Originally Posted by madsci_guy
When the US., the UK and Canada, vary widely, that should be a clue.
A clue of how close they are to each other in this respect?

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Proving that such a ranking is meaningless.
What do you think are the chances of North Korea coming in first place next year?

Dusty
Feb 01, 2013, 11:28 AM
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What do you think are the chances of North Korea coming in first place next year?
When some of their press members get to vote, it will be a much better chance, I think.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:29 AM
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A clue of how close they are to each other in this respect?
And every other country in their range.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:34 AM
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When some of their press members get to vote, it will be a much better chance, I think.
It isn't down to a vote.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:34 AM
Flower of Scotland
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And every other country in their range.
How many places does a ''range'' consist of?
Feb 01, 2013, 11:39 AM
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It isn't down to a vote.
Yes it is. At least understand what you are using as a reference.

http://rsf.org/index/qEN.html
Feb 01, 2013, 11:42 AM
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Yes it is. At least understand what you are using as a reference.

http://rsf.org/index/qEN.html

From google:

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ques·tion·naire
/ˌkwesCHəˈne(ə)r/
Noun
A set of printed or written questions with a choice of answers, devised for the purposes of a survey or statistical study.
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vote
/vōt/
Noun
A formal indication of a choice between two or more candidates or courses of action, expressed typically through a ballot or a show of...
Feb 01, 2013, 11:45 AM
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It's a vote by those "authorized" to answer the questionnaire. Totally subjective.

And a ballot looks exactly like a multiple choice questionnaire, doesn't it?


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