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Old Feb 01, 2013, 06:50 AM
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Charles Whitman


Used a Remington 700 bolt action with a 3 round internal mag to kill 14 people and wound 32 ....

No pistol grip .... No 30 round mag .... No flash suppressor .... No forward grip .... No scary black plastic ....
Old Feb 01, 2013, 07:19 AM
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Used a Remington 700 bolt action with a 3 round internal mag to kill 14 people and wound 32 ....

No pistol grip .... No 30 round mag .... No flash suppressor .... No forward grip .... No scary black plastic ....
Careful ... the administration might just use your argument to justify a ban on everything (not just the scary black plastic ones with pistol grips)...
Old Feb 01, 2013, 08:56 AM
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He also had an M-1 carbine. I don't know if he used it.
Old Feb 01, 2013, 09:59 AM
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Used a Remington 700 bolt action with a 3 round internal mag to kill 14 people and wound 32 ....

No pistol grip .... No 30 round mag .... No flash suppressor .... No forward grip .... No scary black plastic ....
That just proves that obama isn't going far enough. "HE" has to confiscate ALL guns, or at the very least, limit them to single action. Oh, and you will only be allowed to carry one bullet, and it will have to be in your shirt pocket.
Old Feb 01, 2013, 10:02 AM
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Used a Remington 700 bolt action with a 3 round internal mag to kill 14 people and wound 32 ....

No pistol grip .... No 30 round mag .... No flash suppressor .... No forward grip .... No scary black plastic ....
The U.S. government trained him to shoot.
Old Feb 01, 2013, 12:56 PM
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I was there attending freshman orientation when Whitman started his murder spree. He was over 200 ft high in the U.T. tower lying prone on the floor of the observation deck and firing through the drain spouts. Being a trained ex marine, he was familiar with using cover and firing and moving from point to point. His primary weapon was a bolt action 3006 rifle. He would not have killed as many people if he hadn't chosen his sniper position so well. I saw him shoot several people people with slow, deliberate fire. His cover did more to aid him than anything else. He never gave the police a clear shot, they had to storm the tower and take him where he had holed up. His position and the time required to get to him caused the high casualty rate. Should we ban guns in the hands of military trained citizens because of him? An untrained citizen probably wouldn't have chosen such a good position.
Old Feb 01, 2013, 03:43 PM
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No, perhaps if there was a proper system for reporting people with psychological issues, it would have never happened. He had been seeing a doctor for some time, and the autopsy revealed a brain tumor.
Old Feb 01, 2013, 03:56 PM
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It is a well known concept that "Hard cases make bad law" - even an ex-Harvard law review editor probably knows it....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_cases_make_bad_law

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Hard cases make bad law is an adage or legal maxim. Its meaning is that a particularly unpleasant case is a poor basis for a general law which would cover a wider range of less extreme cases. In other words, a general law is better drafted for the average circumstance as this will be more common.
Old Feb 01, 2013, 03:58 PM
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Something we must be very careful about and that is over controlling the mentally ill because of a fear of what one might do. How many time have some of us actually been in a knock down, drag out fight? You really don't know you are in a fight until the first punch is thrown and in reality that is very few times. The same is true with a mental patient. Most of them will never hurt a flea intentionally, but seldom in comparison to the number of people being treated, something snaps and the trouble starts. In all honesty, I would imagine that more mass acts of violence have been done by people who would never have been suspected of doing such.

Another thought is how many crooked politicians have we had? How many crooked politicians were known as such before they were elected and yet were elected anyway. Now the one thing we really don't know is how many of them have committed despicable acts that we will never know about.

A society cannot control, either causing or preventing, integrity, honesty, or morality. Those are acts of will and as such are only controlled by the individual.

We all want to be safe and secure, but if we give up our liberty and freedom to have such, I guarantee you will end up with neither. Our forefathers knew that and that is why we were given something that spelled out the essence of what we should be and a prayer that we would fulfill the goal. At times we have and at times we haven't, but neither was because of all the additional laws that have been passed nor taxes that have been levied. Man, at his best, can only control himself. He cannot control others and all that have tried have failed.

Even Jesus knew that which is why it was freely given to those who believed and accepted it and started the walk. If the LORD GOD realized He cannot control man, what in the name of hell makes us think we can.
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Old Feb 01, 2013, 04:05 PM
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Should we ban guns in the hands of military trained citizens because of him? An untrained citizen probably wouldn't have chosen such a good position.
Clearly we must ban spinning rims on cars. Only possible solution.
Old Feb 01, 2013, 05:43 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

Reading through this, it is not clear to me that background checks would have stopped Whitman from buying guns and ammunition. Maybe they would. If not, one could start out by designing a background check which would have identified Whitman as a problem waiting to happen.
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Something we must be very careful about and that is over controlling the mentally ill because of a fear of what one might do. How many time have some of us actually been in a knock down, drag out fight? You really don't know you are in a fight until the first punch is thrown and in reality that is very few times. The same is true with a mental patient. Most of them will never hurt a flea intentionally, but seldom in comparison to the number of people being treated, something snaps and the trouble starts. In all honesty, I would imagine that more mass acts of violence have been done by people who would never have been suspected of doing such.

Another thought is how many crooked politicians have we had? How many crooked politicians were known as such before they were elected and yet were elected anyway. Now the one thing we really don't know is how many of them have committed despicable acts that we will never know about.

A society cannot control, either causing or preventing, integrity, honesty, or morality. Those are acts of will and as such are only controlled by the individual.

We all want to be safe and secure, but if we give up our liberty and freedom to have such, I guarantee you will end up with neither. Our forefathers knew that and that is why we were given something that spelled out the essence of what we should be and a prayer that we would fulfill the goal. At times we have and at times we haven't, but neither was because of all the additional laws that have been passed nor taxes that have been levied. Man, at his best, can only control himself. He cannot control others and all that have tried have failed.

Even Jesus knew that which is why it was freely given to those who believed and accepted it and started the walk. If the LORD GOD realized He cannot control man, what in the name of hell makes us think we can.
For once I thought you were going to get through an entire post without quoting the Bible or mentioning Jesus.....then I read the last paragraph.
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Used a Remington 700 bolt action with a 3 round internal mag to kill 14 people and wound 32 ....

No pistol grip .... No 30 round mag .... No flash suppressor .... No forward grip .... No scary black plastic ....
He was also a marine sharpshooter.
Old Feb 01, 2013, 07:08 PM
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A single incident 40+ years ago involving a highly trained individual does not support your case.
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A single incident 40+ years ago involving a highly trained individual does not support your case.
Actually it does support his case.


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