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Feb 01, 2013, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Norman Adlam
It's just attempting to mitigate the fear of something actually happening.

(Especially as there is no such thing as 'safe' - it's a myth!) And there is "some chance" that a lorry could drive into my house (the road is a few feet in front of my house), or of an electrical fire, a gas explosion, a plane crashing into it (I'm under the flight path of the local International airport), the ceiling collapsing on us or ....

I give 99% of them no thought.

P.S. I also don't have a fire extinguisher and not had one for around 40 years - as mentioned in a discussion before. And never carried one in the car, either.
Well, I have several extinguishers in the house and one in each car. I also keep first aid kits around. I have deadbolts, smoke alarms and and alarm system. And yes, I keep arms. My gal knows how to use them but doesn't carry. She is, however, taking kung fu and swi jou (sp?). I believe every women should have self defense training at least.

You sound like someone who never had a violent encounter and I'm glad. Not all have been so lucky; for instance, some nut tried to strangle my mom in a lady's bathroom many years ago. She got away unharmed and luckily the fool was caught. Things like that tend to raise your awareness.
Last edited by dll932; Feb 01, 2013 at 11:13 AM.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:12 AM
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I'm embarrassed for my, err, armed comrades, Norman. Really and truly, the "Burt Gummer" clones are a minority here, but unfortunately a very vocal minority.

My theory is that it is Tea Party-related. After the sound trounce from the recent National Election, they licked their wounds and regrouped. With the recent rsah of shootings "gun control" is a hot topic. And here we are-- gun control, Obama, socialism, "us vs them", racial issues and the whole socioeconomic gamut that we endured running up to the Elections. Same tune, different verse.

Sad.

--Bill
Feb 01, 2013, 11:15 AM
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Lessee....... Fair use of copyrighted material.
Lessee... unattributed poorly attributed quotes.
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Feb 01, 2013, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Harris
I'm embarrassed for my, err, armed comrades, Norman. Really and truly, the "Burt Gummer" clones are a minority here, but unfortunately a very vocal minority.

My theory is that it is Tea Party-related. After the sound trounce from the recent National Election, they licked their wounds and regrouped. With the recent rsah of shootings "gun control" is a hot topic. And here we are-- gun control, Obama, socialism, "us vs them", racial issues and the whole socioeconomic gamut that we endured running up to the Elections. Same tune, different verse.

Sad.

--Bill
Marginalizes gun owners, then complains about "us vs. them". Yep, sad indeed.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by logan5
I certainly wouldn't want someone else to define for me what is safe. That's for me to decide in the end. In the UK, someone has decided for everyone that they are "safe enough" ... well, safe enough has bought them the highest violent crime rate in Europe and a rate of rape higher than the US ...
Different countries consider different crimes to be ''violent.'' Even Scotland and Northern Ireland each release their own sets of statistics, which aren't directly comparable to the statistics from England and Wales.

What I do know is that around half of all ''violent crimes'' in the statistics from England and Wales (where over 90% of the population of the UK lives), involve no injury to any person.

Dusty
Feb 01, 2013, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Harris
Lessee... unattributed quotes.
Each and every quote lists the news agency that first reported it, and the date. That's called attribution, just so you now know, but obviously didn't..

DO read what I post for a change.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Harris
I'm embarrassed for my, err, armed comrades, Norman. Really and truly, the "Burt Gummer" clones are a minority here, but unfortunately a very vocal minority.

My theory is that it is Tea Party-related.
After the sound trounce from the recent National Election, they licked their wounds and regrouped. With the recent rsah of shootings "gun control" is a hot topic. And here we are-- gun control, Obama, socialism, "us vs them", racial issues and the whole socioeconomic gamut that we endured running up to the Elections. Same tune, different verse.

Sad.

--Bill

No, what is 'sad,' is your seeming need to marginalize those with which you disagree.


RKBA isn't specific to Tea Party, nor is it specific to your movie reference.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by madsci_guy
Each and every quote lists the news agency that first reported it, and the date. That's called attribution, just so you now know, but obviously didn't..

DO read what I post for a change.
Then let's say poorly attributed quotes.

Here is a Google of the atttibution-in-name-only of the first quote:

http://www.google.com/search?q=The+B...ient=firefox-a

Since you possibly went to the trouble to look these up, why not include a link to the source?
Feb 01, 2013, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by n00b-E
Marginalizes gun owners, then complains about "us vs. them". Yep, sad indeed.
Gun owners are marginal. A shrill and strident minority. The characteristics I listed are observed Teaper's echoing back through the guntoters.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by wrightme
No, what is 'sad,' is your seeming need to marginalize those with which you disagree.


RKBA isn't specific to Tea Party, nor is it specific to your movie reference.
Piffle.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Harris
Then let's say poorly attributed quotes.
In your non-expert opinion.

Quote:
Here is a Google of the atttibution-in-name-only of the first quote:

http://www.google.com/search?q=The+B...ient=firefox-a

Since you possibly went to the trouble to look these up, why not include a link to the source?
Why can't you do it, if you doubt the material?

1. Find the Birmingham news. http://www.google.com/search?q=The+Birmingham+News

2. Search for 63 year old woman http://search.al.com/63+year+old+woman

3. Viola!....er....Voila! there it is. http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/10/...ot_intrud.html

Sheesh, I should not have to teach someone how to use Google.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Harris
Gun owners are marginal. A shrill and strident minority. The characteristics I listed are observed Teaper's echoing back through the guntoters.
Oh boy...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/se...hest-1993.aspx

I wonder how they will vote in 2014, and the ramifications.
Feb 01, 2013, 11:54 AM
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And it only took one minute or so.
Feb 01, 2013, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Norman Adlam
You do love to trot out complete BS, logan5..

As for the figures, I dunno... but Wiki says that the USA was consistently higher (per 100,000 pop) than the UK until 2010, although the figures have always been close-ish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

How's your 'freedoms' with all your much vaunted 'gun-love' working out for you - and your women folk?
Quite well, considering our murders and violent crime is down in the recent years.
Feb 01, 2013, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by madsci_guy
Lessee....... Fair use of copyrighted material.
So,

I respond to logan5 append, in which he suggested some vague stats about the difference in US and UK rape rates, indicating that there seems to be little or no difference in the rates between the countries. In fact the US having been worse most of the time. Yet you point out instances where a gun came into the equation.

I suspect you wouldn't believe that that approach was biased, and proving little, because you wouldn't show all the others where the rapes were 'successful' and no gun intervention prevailed.

Basically, we have insignificant gun usage, whilst you have almost more guns than people - yet overall you are failing to reduce these crimes below what we have (which seems to be one of the main 'stated' reasons why you want them).

Another fallacious excuse for why guns are 'necessary', madsci!

(And yes, I'm perfectly aware that stats prove little - so why do people invent some vague ones to support an emotive argument? )


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