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Old Jan 17, 2013, 01:42 PM
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If there's even one life that can be saved.....


Our president recently said:

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“Because while there is no law or set of laws that can prevent every senseless act of violence completely, no piece of legislation that will prevent every tragedy, every act of evil, if there’s even one thing we can do to reduce this violence, if there’s even one life that can be saved, then we’ve got an obligation to try,” he said today in remarks about the shooting and announcing new executive orders promoting gun control."
If the lives of "the children" are so important, why not have a press conference and a task force to reduce abortion? Millions and Millions of children have been terminated by abortion, yet the president does NOTHING! Even one life Mr. Obama?
Old Jan 17, 2013, 02:45 PM
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Remember this story?

http://us.cnn.com/2013/01/10/us/home...iref=obnetwork

The King says "if there’s even one life that can be saved, then we’ve got an obligation to try..." Doesn't the life of Melinda Herman count? There is 1 life that was saved by a gun. Heck, then there are the 2 kids. (these were nine year old children) That makes 3 saved.

If saving lives is the goal, it sounds like there should be some obligation to evaluate the column of lives saved as well.
Old Jan 17, 2013, 02:49 PM
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Our president recently said:



If the lives of "the children" are so important, why not have a press conference and a task force to reduce abortion? Millions and Millions of children have been terminated by abortion, yet the president does NOTHING! Even one life Mr. Obama?
Because aborted fetuses are not "children."
Old Jan 17, 2013, 02:54 PM
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Because aborted fetuses are not "children."
Reminds me of the 3/5ths compromise.

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Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
Old Jan 17, 2013, 02:55 PM
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OMG, not the old" a child inside its mother is not "actually" a child" thing again........
Old Jan 17, 2013, 02:58 PM
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Because aborted fetuses are not "children."
Hold on:
there are many cases in which homicide charges are brought up against perps who have killed a pregnant mother, they were charged with 2 counts.
Old Jan 17, 2013, 03:02 PM
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Hold on:
there are many cases in which homicide charges are brought up against perps who have killed a pregnant mother, they were charged with 2 counts.
I have seen this and can not understand the logic. Guess it is because at that point the mother has chosen to keep the child.
Old Jan 17, 2013, 03:08 PM
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As a pro-gun/anti tyranny guy, I think using the abortion argument really isn't necessary. It only works if people think Abortion kills a child. Most liberals don't believe so and liberals are most likely who your audience is when it comes to the pro/anti gun stuff.

You're just setting yourself up to be derailed by, "well when is a fetus a child" blah blah blah as already seen in this thread.

There's an overwhelming myriad of facts that support the right of the people to bear arms that this one is really not necessary.
Old Jan 17, 2013, 03:12 PM
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There's an overwhelming myriad of facts that support the right of the people to bear arms that this one is really not necessary.
Sure but there are many that think the 2nd Amendment doesn't support an individual right to bear arms, so it's not like any argument might work..
Old Jan 17, 2013, 03:22 PM
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A little off topic but the fetus comment reminded me of the joke, When is a fetus considered a human being? When it votes Republican.

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Old Jan 17, 2013, 03:37 PM
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But it's for the children...
Old Jan 17, 2013, 03:39 PM
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And here's a criminal with his assault weapon.
Old Jan 17, 2013, 03:41 PM
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As a pro-gun/anti tyranny guy, I think using the abortion argument really isn't necessary. It only works if people think Abortion kills a child. Most liberals don't believe so and liberals are most likely who your audience is when it comes to the pro/anti gun stuff.

You're just setting yourself up to be derailed by, "well when is a fetus a child" blah blah blah as already seen in this thread.

There's an overwhelming myriad of facts that support the right of the people to bear arms that this one is really not necessary.
I know you are right but no one can disagree with the fact that 99% of the time if a fetus isn't aborted, it will be a child. Just makes obama look stupid standing there with the chillens talking about saving lives.
Old Jan 17, 2013, 03:54 PM
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The Dear Leader doesn't seem too concerned about the national debt the children will inherit.
Old Jan 17, 2013, 04:01 PM
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