Feb 24, 2013, 02:11 PM
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winds 10plus so i flew kind easy,,lots of down drafts near ground,,plane can HANDLE wind,,,i can t
parkzone VISIONAIRE -- windy day stuff (6 min 28 sec)
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Feb 24, 2013, 02:57 PM
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Looks good Dale. Wish I was flying - still snow on the ground and a soggy flying field here in Massachusetts.
Feb 24, 2013, 03:34 PM
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motor thrust


I've been following this thread and have not read anything about the up thrust in the VA. Is it just mine? I put a incidence meter on mine and showed 2 1/2 degs. of up thrust. So I put a couple washers behind the top mount and ended up with 1 deg of down thrust. I also put a Dubro electric spinner and a 11x3.8 apc as someone here sugested. Flew it today and noticed a nice improvement in verticle speed and it also seemed to hover a little easier. Had to cut the flite short because I'm in Michigan and fingers were freezing after about 4 min. I found it strange though that I didn't need any additional trim in the elevator after making the motor thrust change. If you make the change the spinner will no longer line up well with the fuse. When it gets warmer and I can get more flites on it I may change the thrust back but I've been flying for 20+ yrs and the rule has always been a few deg's down thrust and right thrust.

PS..what is a turkey roll? Ron
Feb 24, 2013, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SLK Count View Post
Richard, thanks for your comment- if you fly the APC 12x6 I will try it too.
The ESC can 55 Amps in burst (15 sec)- did you measure the amps with your wattmeter ?
Yes, i know, I should have such device but if somebody figured out a perfect prop I will use this recommend prop too.
Thanks !
I would be VERY CAREFUL using a 12x6 without knowing the actual amps it draws.................
Feb 24, 2013, 04:18 PM
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Props: Stock vs. APC 12x6


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I would be VERY CAREFUL using a 12x6 without knowing the actual amps it draws.................
OK...I chipped a prop on landing and the LHS was out of the OEM props. So took home the APC 12 X 6. (There are no props I could find with the stock Dia X Pitch from any other maker).

First, the wattmeter (static test):
Stock 12x4 @ 1/2 throttle=10.98a
@ 3/4 throttle=34.13a
@ Full throttle=44.10a

APC 12x6E @ 1/2 throttle=13.45a
@ 3/4 throttle=42.15a
@ Full throttle=50.16a

Actual flying: The plane seemed a bit faster with similar performance in other respects. Will need more time to see the flight differences, but the run time is maybe a minute less to similar discharge and mixed flying.

Not sure how much headroom the stock ESC has, but should be ok in the air.
The APC prop requires reaming to fit the motor shaft. The stock spinner fits, but does contact the blades somewhat.
Last edited by neon the cat; Feb 24, 2013 at 04:24 PM.
Feb 24, 2013, 04:30 PM
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Dale, you must have set your gains for maximum grooviness. You need to go back and read that this is an underpowered highwingloaded brick and stop trying to deceive us by making it look floaty. Flat, most 3D planes have little to no thrust angle (easier to hang from prop)
Feb 24, 2013, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by neon the cat View Post
OK...I chipped a prop on landing and the LHS was out of the OEM props. So took home the APC 12 X 6. (There are no props I could find with the stock Dia X Pitch from any other maker).

First, the wattmeter (static test):
Stock 12x4 @ 1/2 throttle=10.98a
@ 3/4 throttle=34.13a
@ Full throttle=44.10a

APC 12x6E @ 1/2 throttle=13.45a
@ 3/4 throttle=42.15a
@ Full throttle=50.16a

Actual flying: The plane seemed a bit faster with similar performance in other respects. Will need more time to see the flight differences, but the run time is maybe a minute less to similar discharge and mixed flying.

Not sure how much headroom the stock ESC has, but should be ok in the air.
The APC prop requires reaming to fit the motor shaft. The stock spinner fits, but does contact the blades somewhat.
hey i think HOBBY ZONE has them in stock,, yep they do
Feb 24, 2013, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sonofagun View Post
Dale, you must have set your gains for maximum grooviness. You need to go back and read that this is an underpowered highwingloaded brick and stop trying to deceive us by making it look floaty. Flat, most 3D planes have little to no thrust angle (easier to hang from prop)
thanks ,,still learning to fly this grooveLESS BRICK,,winds UNPERDICTALE today,,bouncing around near the ground ,,was trying to land EASY but wind tried to stop that with gusty updafts,,,think i will put about 800 flights on vizionair brick,,then callHH to get refund,,tell them NOT HAPPY with groovless brick evil Dale HA HA HA HHAA HA
Last edited by dalecheek1; Feb 25, 2013 at 07:11 AM.
Feb 24, 2013, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dalecheek1 View Post
hey i think HOBBY ZONE has them in stock,, yep they do
You can buy an inexpensive 5mm shaft prop adapter which will accept the APC electric props "as is" - HH has em as do others your spinner will not fit this but they have a little bullet end -with a hole in them.
another propwhich you may like is the APC 13x4 electric - - if amps are too high for you, trim and balance the prop 1 little bit-I use this prop on my Fun Cub for VTO full flap takeoffs. ( EFlite 10 motor)
Feb 24, 2013, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatspin View Post
I've been following this thread and have not read anything about the up thrust in the VA. Is it just mine? I put a incidence meter on mine and showed 2 1/2 degs. of up thrust. So I put a couple washers behind the top mount and ended up with 1 deg of down thrust. I also put a Dubro electric spinner and a 11x3.8 apc as someone here sugested. Flew it today and noticed a nice improvement in verticle speed and it also seemed to hover a little easier. Had to cut the flite short because I'm in Michigan and fingers were freezing after about 4 min. I found it strange though that I didn't need any additional trim in the elevator after making the motor thrust change. If you make the change the spinner will no longer line up well with the fuse. When it gets warmer and I can get more flites on it I may change the thrust back but I've been flying for 20+ yrs and the rule has always been a few deg's down thrust and right thrust.

PS..what is a turkey roll? Ron
don't bother with thrust adj or try to mix controls -or other pattern plane adj- the AS3X tries to hold the last line you input
Around here, a turkey roll is like a lobster roll only made with turkey- Not to be confused with a roll in the hay
Feb 24, 2013, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sonofagun View Post
Dale, you must have set your gains for maximum grooviness. You need to go back and read that this is an underpowered highwingloaded brick and stop trying to deceive us by making it look floaty. Flat, most 3D planes have little to no thrust angle (easier to hang from prop)
JUST saw your video of VISIONAIR,,,,wow our style of flying is very similar ,except for hovering,, U do it better and lower .the best i have done is about 15 ft up with no wind
Feb 24, 2013, 06:43 PM
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I have my DX8 set up so that the Sport and 3D are on the gear switch and the High and low rates are on the Elevator switch. I have the DR/Expo that is on the Elev. switch exactly as the manual describes. I mainly fly 3D and just use Sport mode for take off when I feel like I need it. By doing this am I missing out on any of the capabilities that the Visionaire is capable of?
Feb 24, 2013, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dalecheek1 View Post
JUST saw your video of VISIONAIR,,,,wow our style of flying is very similar ,except for hovering,, U do it better and lower .the best i have done is about 15 ft up with no wind
Brian is an awesome pilot. He does everything way down low and right in front of his face!
Feb 24, 2013, 08:22 PM
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Love this plane. Amazing.
Feb 24, 2013, 09:34 PM
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Guys be carefull with the APC 12x6......high chances you would damage the motor.....Specially when weather gets warmer. Not easy for ESC either. Check current before you make final choice and compare to stock prop to make a smart decision.. During all my developing test the provided prop design/size and motor Kv showed best match to the airplane performance/design.
The VA needs that up motor angle, please do not change that angle. The motor angle is very relative to CG. Check CG and do the inflight test we recommend in the manual and also I post here.
The motor, wing and stab angles are all relative to CG. The plane it is set with those angles and CG to delivery most performance in the entire flight envelope/maneuvers.
Thanks.


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