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Dec 06, 2012, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by madsci_guy
Christmas Trees are of Christian origin, Perhaps you were thinking of evergreen wreath hanging?
Nope. Tree worship existed as a pagan custom way before it's adoption by christians. In fact, early christians rejected such idolatry outright as pagan customs. The whole idea of Christmas itself was usurped from pagan tradition. Here is a passage from the Bible concerning it:

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Originally Posted by Jeremiah 10:1-5
“Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the heavens, though the nations are terrified by them.
3 For the practices of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter.
5 Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk.
Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good.”
Dec 06, 2012, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by thunder1
Nope. Tree worship existed as a pagan custom way before it's adoption by christians. In fact, early christians rejected such idolatry outright as pagan customs. The whole idea of Christmas itself was usurped from pagan tradition.
To repeat, the Christmas Tree was invented by Christians, specifically Martin Luther.
Dec 06, 2012, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by thunder1
The whole idea of Christmas itself was usurped from pagan tradition.
Sure, coming on the 25th explains so well why the winter solstice comes on the 21st.
Dec 06, 2012, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by madsci_guy
To repeat, the Christmas Tree was invented by Christians, specifically Martin Luther.
You're not disputing what Thunder posted. You're just talking over him. Martin Luther didn't precede yule.
Dec 06, 2012, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by madsci_guy
Sure, coming on the 25th explains so well why the winter solstice comes on the 21st.
I always wondered about that. I saw a documentary that reckoned that it was difficult to measure the exact shortest day (in the northern hemisphere) however by the 25th they were able to see that the sun was higher in the sky after the 1/4 year of it being lower and lower. So the celebration was for the sun rising after 3 days.
Dec 06, 2012, 02:36 PM
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There are only 365.25 days a year. 12 months, 52 weeks and 4 seasons.

Overlap of celebrations is to be expected.
Dec 06, 2012, 02:43 PM
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I just like to drive around to look at all of the naivety scenes.
Dec 06, 2012, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLittle
You're not disputing what Thunder posted. You're just talking over him. Martin Luther didn't precede yule.
Pagan Yule was not associated with the Christmas Tree.
Dec 06, 2012, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron H
I just like to drive around to look at all of the naivety scenes.
I had to laugh, Im sure you meant the misspelling.....lol
Dec 06, 2012, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Indiana_Geoff
There are only 365.25 days a year. 12 months, 52 weeks and 4 seasons.

Overlap of celebrations is to be expected.
With 500-odd deities and demiurges, the Roman calendar was packed with holidays, often two or three on a given day.
Dec 06, 2012, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Leather Helmet
I had to laugh, Im sure you meant the misspelling.....lol
Not at all. I'm sure it's spelled correctly.
Dec 06, 2012, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron H
Not at all. I'm sure it's spelled correctly.
"Naivety" is either intentional or unintentional, but very funny in either case.
Dec 06, 2012, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Punkie
The Christians can have their celebrations when they want, its their religion.
There are many different religious celebrations around the Winter solstice, Christmas works as a name, because of tradition, I know the USA has not been around long enough to get many traditions, but Christmas is a good one.
Trees, lights, carols, nativity scenes, readings from the bible and expressions of love and friendship, ALL good.
I have no problem with doing my best not to offend people of other religions, or those who do not believe, but that goes both ways, people of other beliefs should not be offended by Christian expressions of belief.
Now give those old folk their bloody tree back.
THIS post..THIS!! I agree whole-heartedly. I don't make fun of anybody else's belief, I would prefer it if others would do the same in regards to mine.

Thank you Punkie, I mean it.
Cash
Dec 06, 2012, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by madsci_guy
With 500-odd deities and demiurges, the Roman calendar was packed with holidays, often two or three on a given day.
The list of sants is equally long and every day has two or three RC saints associated with it.
Dec 06, 2012, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by madsci_guy
Pagan Yule was not associated with the Christmas Tree.
Actually, it was. Pre-christian Scandinavians would bring whole evergreen trees into their dwellings because they believed the tree spirits would ward off evil, and cold, of course, as they burned it.


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