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Nov 30, 2012, 01:08 PM
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Micro Dreamer - They said it couldn't be done

After years of building small foamies I keep coming back to the question...
would I get a decent model by reducing the plans of one of my favorite old stunt bipe kits to one half size and then build it as designed with no extra lightning techniques.
Most of the guys I've talked to, say it would wind up too heavy to fly. But one of the things I dislike about the foamies is their lack of inertia thru the maneuvers that consist of snaps and spins and tumbles.
So I decided to bite the bullit and build a half size flyer of one of my favorites...
The GeeBee Dreamer (only 38" span)
The Dreamer I had back in the eighties weighed just under 4.5 lbs, but I don't guess that a 19" dreamer would work at 2.25 so I'll be shooting to keep it under one lb.
I'll be designing it around the "HeadsUP Hobbies" powerup 250 plus motor which puts out a claimed 11 ounces of thrust at 5.5 amps with a 6/3 prop and a 3 cell lipo (for only $11.95). should work out...

So follow along if you like uncertain results, one thing's for sure, even if it doesn't fly, it'll sure look pretty!
(I'm also building the full size dreamer for spring flying)
First two pics are the old dreamer, third pic is the parts cut out to make a kit:

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Nov 30, 2012, 07:19 PM
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Ribs on the spars.
Top wing builds flat upside down.
Needle nose nearby for scale.
Nov 30, 2012, 07:44 PM
I just want to go fly!
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great looking biplanes! just picked up the beast to add a biplane to my hangar and have fallen in love. love the biplane cruising through the clouds. definately will be getting a bigger one some time.
Nov 30, 2012, 08:45 PM
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They look really good on a low pass too.
BTW, I forgot to mention that the bipe beside the old dreamer is a sig smith miniplane.

ribs glued to spars, joiners webbing and block added.
Dec 01, 2012, 12:07 PM
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Nice fuzzy pic of a million pins and elmer's wood glue.
Dec 02, 2012, 12:48 PM
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Flip'er over and add more glue...
Flip'er back and sand her pretty.
Then repeat for the top side and add tips...

Oops! sorry, got the pics backwards
Dec 03, 2012, 09:10 AM
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Great job, keep up the good work. Dont forget to post some pictures of it finished!
Dec 03, 2012, 11:51 AM
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I'll do that. (I'm a real showoff at heart)

Meanwhile, here's the finished top wing and the start of the bottom.
After sheeting the top wing LE, I decided she didn't need center sheet.

Dec 03, 2012, 07:43 PM
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While working on the wing, I got started on the fuselage.
As you can see, I'm fitting the HobbyKing supermicroteeny servo to see if it can handle the load. (but I'm leaving room for the torquier 3 gram servos from amazon)
Dec 04, 2012, 09:29 AM
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When your done, build me one, haha.
Dec 04, 2012, 11:47 AM
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Well, let me think about it for a while No.

Seriously, When I get done with the little one, I'm going to built the big one from the original kit (if you can call 38" span the big one)
The paint job on the 1988 version was really ugly, red silk with a mist coat of red and 3 or 4 coats of clear. then some blue added in random places.

This time I want to do it in cream colored coverite with lite blue trim done like the pic on the box label. (maybe with the sunburst left off.)
come to think of it, I think I'll do that on the little one to see if coverite *really* adds that much weight to a small flyer.
anyway I be posting a build along for it in the glow to electric conversion forum when I get started.
Dec 04, 2012, 01:17 PM
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Thats going to be really cool. Very nice build you are doing there. All this time will definitely be worth it when its done.
Dec 04, 2012, 09:42 PM
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If it flies

But I'm not worried, if it doesn't, the full sized one will.
Back in '88 it was the best flying airplane i'd ever had in 20 years of flying. It was also the first plane I was able to lomcevok.
Dec 04, 2012, 10:56 PM
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Sorry if I digress, but just had to post this link.
I was looking over an old thread I started when I scratched out the old 1909 Avro triplane. (I love the projects that nobody thinks will work) and I noticed that my workbench looks exactly the same as it did in November of 2011.
On page 5 there's a vid there that's the only vid in existence of this particular Avro in flight.
Dec 05, 2012, 10:21 AM
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Both wings now tipped and cap stripped and sanded nice and smooth.
boy! If you want to talk about balsa dust, just sand two pieces of 1/8" balsa to a tapered trailing edge shape for ailerons!
Can't make out the picture on the TV anymore.

Next up... the fuselage.

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