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Nov 14, 2012, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dusty1000
What crimes do you think the children Israel targeted and killed had committed?

Dusty
Your constant attempts to portray Israel in such a way are disingenuous.

Israel is committed to peace. Whether by sword or by pen is the enemy's choice.
Nov 14, 2012, 03:47 PM
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Hamas has fired another 55 rockets this evening, 6 hitting Be'er Sheva.

For reference:
Nov 14, 2012, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by logan5
Actually, us walking away would probably give Israel the green light to do whatever it wants. We've been the ones holding her back for so long.
Here's a retired Israeli politician who says that there's no way Israel could conduct any major military operation without US approval.

An Interview with Uri Avnery about Israel attack on Iran - November 14, 2011 (11 min 24 sec)
Nov 14, 2012, 03:50 PM
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IDF is live tweeting the whole deal with videos and messages to keep your head down if you're in charge
Nov 14, 2012, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael in Toronto
Israel defends itself regardless.

Whatever its borders might be, it would still be under attack, one way or the other.

A pan-Arab acceptance of Israel's right to exist would usher in a comprehensive peace with borders acceptable to all.
But there have already been pan-Arab proposals for peace, based on Israel's internationally recognised borders, and Israel's compliance with international law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

You surely don't expect the Arabs to recognise Israel as it continues to contravene international law, and continues to expand outwith it's borders, do you?

The first thing Israel needs to do is to learn to behave itself, and start acting like a normal country.

Dusty
Nov 14, 2012, 03:50 PM
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Here's a retired Israeli politician who says that there's no way Israel could conduct any major military operation without US approval.
Do you believe it's true?
Nov 14, 2012, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dusty1000
So you accept Israel starting the current round of fighting by killing a Palestinian civilian was murder, and that the Palestinian response of shooting an Israeli military target, injuring four soldiers is morally acceptable. You also accept that Israel then committed murder again, by killing Palestinian children?

As you accept the Bible says murder is wrong, why do you support those who commit it?

Dusty
Current round?...its been ongoing and i place full blame on Hamas for not being able to live with their neighbors.
Nov 14, 2012, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dusty1000
Here's a retired Israeli politician who says that there's no way Israel could conduct any major military operation without US approval.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEBQI8dTjas
I don't see where he has access to classified material that would allow him to state that with actual facts to back him up. Anyone can wild guess.
Nov 14, 2012, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael in Toronto
Your constant attempts to portray Israel in such a way are disingenuous.
There's nothing disingenuous about simply describing what happened. It is disingenuous though to attempt to pretend that what happened, didn't happen.

Dusty
Nov 14, 2012, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bildo baggins
IDF is live tweeting the whole deal with videos and messages to keep your head down if you're in charge
Its good they hold the hamas leaders responsible.
Nov 14, 2012, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael in Toronto
Do you believe it's true?
How would you dispute the reasons he provided?

I'm sure he knows more about it than you or I do.

Dusty
Nov 14, 2012, 03:54 PM
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But there have already been pan-Arab proposals for peace, based on Israel's internationally recognised borders, and Israel's compliance with international law.

Dusty
Not a strong argument.

Proposals are nice, but recognition is what`s needed (there have been plenty of peaceful times, and there have been opportunities before so many settlements were built, and there were opportunities before 1967).

No proposal short of a temporary truce has ever come from Hamas.
Nov 14, 2012, 03:55 PM
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There's nothing disingenuous about simply describing what happened. It is disingenuous though to attempt to pretend that what happened, didn't happen.

Dusty
Your pretending that Israel targets children and that is simply not the case.
If hamas would stop lobbin mortars, Israel would not be attacking them now.
Nov 14, 2012, 03:55 PM
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Its good they hold the hamas leaders responsible.
‎@IDFSpokesperson: We recommend that no Hamas operatives, whether low level or senior leaders, show their faces above ground in the days ahead.
Nov 14, 2012, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dusty1000
There's nothing disingenuous about simply describing what happened. It is disingenuous though to attempt to pretend that what happened, didn't happen.

Dusty
Bad things happen.

Israeli policy is to avoid civilian targets.

Period.

Exceptions and accidents are not policy.


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