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Oct 27, 2012, 03:31 PM
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Head of U.S. Africa Command Relieved of Command, He Wouldn't Stand Down


This is getting serious folks. The head of Africom (US Africa Command), General Ham was relieved of command.

He refused to stand down on the night of September 11, 2012 and had troops ready to move, was actually moving them when put under arrest for failure to stand down.

Deeper down the rabbit hole we go



http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p...own-Order.aspx




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Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:45 p.m.)

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I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.


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"(The) basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information about what's taking place," Panetta told Pentagon reporters. "And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation."
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The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham's place as the head of Africon.

I found this story when I got home after hearing this story.


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President Barack Obama will nominate Army Gen. David Rodriguez to succeed Gen. Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command and Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen. Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced Thursday.
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General Rodigues Nominated as Head of Africon

As I was typing this I heard John Bolton on Greta say that there are conflicting reports of General Ham's comments on this tragedy and why a rapid response unit was not deployed. Bolton says someone needs to find out what Ham was saying on 9/11/12.

Interesting to say the least.
Oct 27, 2012, 03:37 PM
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And for those who say, who is General Ham, and this is not true.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/18/world/...and/index.html


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(CNN) -- President Barack Obama will nominate a new leader for the Pentagon command in charge of Africa.
Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said Thursday the president is picking Gen. David Rodriguez to replace Gen. Carter Ham as head of the U.S. Africa Command.
Oct 27, 2012, 03:46 PM
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Also.

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Navy replaces admiral leading Mideast strike group
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...est=latestnews

Two top military leaders being replaced at the same time, coincidentally right after the 9/11/12 attack.

Hope they talk.
Oct 27, 2012, 03:52 PM
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Wasn't there a movie staring Gene Hackman with this exact plot?
Oct 27, 2012, 03:55 PM
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Now all we really need is the CiC replaced. Come on January.
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Oct 27, 2012, 05:50 PM
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Wag the dog .... Is it possible ... That the recent sackings of the admiral and general is tha t military's way to draw attention to the situation and force an open discussion on the incident?
Oct 27, 2012, 06:05 PM
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And, in the meantime, Governor Romney is still trying to convince his clueless followers the U.S. Navy has fewer ships today than, in, well, almost a hundred years.

Of course, there are more ships in the navy today than there was during the last four years of George W. Bush's presidency.

Naturally, any recollection of the Bush years has been totally erased from Republican revisionist history.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_16...on;flyoutstack
Oct 27, 2012, 06:09 PM
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And what exactly does this have to do with the op? Deflection won't work here.
Oct 27, 2012, 06:53 PM
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The OP is deflection.
Oct 27, 2012, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pipemajor View Post
And, in the meantime, Governor Romney is still trying to convince his clueless followers the U.S. Navy has fewer ships today than, in, well, almost a hundred years.

Of course, there are more ships in the navy today than there was during the last four years of George W. Bush's presidency.

Naturally, any recollection of the Bush years has been totally erased from Republican revisionist history.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_16...on;flyoutstack
Really Pipe? Blame Bush? On this one? C'mon, I'd expect better...
Oct 27, 2012, 07:03 PM
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Really Pipe? Blame Bush? On this one? C'mon, I'd expect better...
Not my fault the goppers have totally written him off.
Oct 27, 2012, 07:05 PM
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The OP is deflection.
From what?
Oct 27, 2012, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by logan5 View Post
From what?
Maybe a reflection of what the president is doing?
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Oct 27, 2012, 07:17 PM
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The OP is deflection.
An Original Post can't be deflection. It's ....you know.....the first post.
Oct 27, 2012, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim Jonas View Post
An Original Post can't be deflection. It's ....you know.....the first post.
But it's true that the OP is a deflection from the lies we are being told about this situation.


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