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Old Dec 05, 2012, 04:36 PM
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60 seconds of "acceptable" flight time?

Dont mean to be harsh, but vertical punch shouldnt be required for fun with any vapor.

Im easily getting four minutes, and at the end it still has the power for maintaining high alpha.

So why is only the first 60 seconds "acceptable?"
Sorry, I meant that I've had about 60 seconds of flight where I thought I was actually in control and could make it go where I wanted to, not the first 60 seconds of a battery charge. I've actually had no problem with over-heating of battery or motor, prob'ly 'cause I spend so much time walking over to pick it up and relaunch! I'll keep trying all the trim suggestions. As I've said, I've had no problems flying a Vapor in the same rooms, even got so I could do touch and gos off a lab table.
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Old Dec 05, 2012, 05:57 PM
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Anyone tried the Vapor or J-3 motor in a Mini Vapor? I got to fly one in a gym last nite and it was kinda neat but left me thinking it could use more power. Would get a little heavier, the brick might not handle it, would probably need the 70 mah battery. Being able to loop from level flight (and really hover) would make it more interesting. Was wondering if anyone had tried it?
I'd try a higher-performance battery and maybe a different prop before going to a larger motor. With the HH UMs, a simple battery change often increases thrust-to-weight by 10-20%. Coupled with a better prop, 25-35% is common.

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Old Dec 05, 2012, 06:28 PM
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For looping easier i suggest moving the elevator pushrod in, havent done it, but it seems its resistance to looping is just elevator throw.
Old Dec 05, 2012, 06:45 PM
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For looping easier i suggest moving the elevator pushrod in, havent done it, but it seems its resistance to looping is just elevator throw.
+1!

I maxed the rudder & elevator throws before the maiden. This thing is extremely agile! I can do loops in the living room & 360-degree turns that are less than 3' in diameter!

Just be sure that the elevator doesn't hit the rudder when you pull the stick all the way back.

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Old Dec 05, 2012, 08:43 PM
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+1!

I maxed the rudder & elevator throws before the maiden. This thing is extremely agile! I can do loops in the living room & 360-degree turns that are less than 3' in diameter!

Just be sure that the elevator doesn't hit the rudder when you pull the stick all the way back.

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Turbo if your into modifying, here's a couple that will really tighten your loops and turns.
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Old Dec 05, 2012, 09:39 PM
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Todd,

Thanks for the link! Lots of interesting stuff going on over there!

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Old Dec 05, 2012, 09:54 PM
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I finally got to fly mine in a gymnasium where I could see what it was doing and do some serious straight line trimming. The battery is back almost to the CG mark (connector is overlapping the CG). I haven't moved the control rods but I can see where it might be worthwhile. I had fun with it and I will try flying it in the house again now but it really does hit me as a 1 trick pony. I guess I get bored too easily
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 06:09 AM
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Turbo if your into modifying, here's a couple that will really tighten your loops and turns.
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Todd, where did you get the ball bearing gearbox, or did you make it?

Thanks, John
Old Dec 06, 2012, 07:15 PM
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I finally got to fly mine in a gymnasium where I could see what it was doing and do some serious straight line trimming. The battery is back almost to the CG mark (connector is overlapping the CG). I haven't moved the control rods but I can see where it might be worthwhile. I had fun with it and I will try flying it in the house again now but it really does hit me as a 1 trick pony. I guess I get bored too easily
Since as you say it kinda is a "one trick pony", I have been figuring out what other "tricks" I might be able to teach it. So far......

1. Carrier landing on my chest as I lean backwards. Easy to do.

2. Carrier landing on my arm, ala "pirate parrot". Almost as easy as #1.

3. Loops. Not easy with the stock setup but possible.

4. Inverted flight. VERY not easy, but I actually had it inverted for a while when trying to loop it.

5. Take off and land on the coffee table in my family room. VERY difficult (the flying space is currently shared by a Christmas tree) but I have done it twice so far. Take off is easy but since the entire flight is spent turning, it is hard to get set up for the landing.

6. Land back in its carrying box at the end of a flight. Pretty easy.

7. Fly as slowly as possible in high alpha. This is pretty easy and fun.

8. Fly up to the heat vent in the indoor space we fly in and get buffeted around by the "gale force" winds.

9. Land on my head. So far, haven't succeeded.

So you CAN have fun with an otherwise limited (but VERY difficult to damage) airplane.

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Old Dec 06, 2012, 08:05 PM
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9. Land on my head. So far, haven't succeeded.
Don't give up, man, you will succeed.

A few years ago a traveling circus came to our little town. The performance was not in a giant stadium, but in a high school gym, and I got to see the action from only 20 feet away. There was one act that will remain in my mind forever. There was a guy on a unicycle who was using balance and small back and forth movements to keep it in one place. We've seen this before, except this guy was only using one foot (aided by a toe-clip on the pedal) and that left his other foot free.

He stuck his free foot out and his assistant put a soup bowl upside down on his toe and he balanced it (while keeping the unicycle going with the other foot of course). Then he flipped the bowl up into the air and moved his body and got it to land on his head, upright. The assistant put another bowl on his toe and he flipped it and it landed into the other bowl. That went on for 4 more bowls until there were 6 stacked soup bowls on the guy's head, and still only one foot operating the unicycle. Anything is possible!!!
Old Dec 06, 2012, 08:27 PM
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Well, while this little MV is EXTREMELY resilient and resistant to crash damage involving walls, floors, furniture, and other household dangers, I've found it is unfortunately not cat proof!

One of our young cats snuck into my hobby room and had fun eating 1/2 of a small shamrock plant, chewing up both ends of my Sukhoi XP's prop, and chewing up the top of the MV's rudder!

XP repair was easy...had more props anyway. But in working on a temporary fix for the MV, I discovered what I suspected = trying to straighten out a chewed and bent carbon fiber rod results in it breaking. Foamsafe CA on that and some clear packing tape over the holes torn in the rudder material have gotten her back in the air. She flys, but not with as much control authority, for sure. A new rudder is now on order from my LHS.

As Charlie Brown says: AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!


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Old Dec 06, 2012, 10:24 PM
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Well, while this little MV is EXTREMELY resilient and resistant to crash damage involving walls, floors, furniture, and other household dangers, I've found it is unfortunately not cat proof!

One of our young cats snuck into my hobby room and had fun eating 1/2 of a small shamrock plant, chewing up both ends of my Sukhoi XP's prop, and chewing up the top of the MV's rudder!

XP repair was easy...had more props anyway. But in working on a temporary fix for the MV, I discovered what I suspected = trying to straighten out a chewed and bent carbon fiber rod results in it breaking. Foamsafe CA on that and some clear packing tape over the holes torn in the rudder material have gotten her back in the air. She flys, but not with as much control authority, for sure. A new rudder is now on order from my LHS.

As Charlie Brown says: AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!


Tom
Bummer! Regarding cats & planes - I learned the hard way that even my fabric-covered 1/4-scale Super Cub isn't kitty-proof! Kitty decided to practice 'wing-walking' one day. Unfortunately, the wings were stored vertically at the time.

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Old Dec 06, 2012, 10:33 PM
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Here is the solution to all your kitty-related problems, from a classic Steve Martin movie...

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-TED..._cat_juggling/
Old Dec 06, 2012, 11:32 PM
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got mine today - however haven't flown yet as I'm out it of due to having my wisdom teeth removed - perhaps tomorrow I'll be due for a few indoor sorties
Old Dec 07, 2012, 09:37 AM
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Here is the solution to all your kitty-related problems, from a classic Steve Martin movie...

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-TED..._cat_juggling/
LOL! It's been a long time since I've seen that!

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