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Oct 16, 2012, 12:12 AM
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50's Style Kneeler

Here's my latest. It's a 1/4 Scale 50's style shovelnose outboard hydro. I'm running all P Spec stuff on a hyperformance bullet drive. Next I will work on the driver and an old mercury MK55H engine cowling.
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Oct 17, 2012, 05:50 PM
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It looks great- can't wait to see it with a driver.

Oct 18, 2012, 02:24 PM
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VERY cool! Looks a bit like a Sid-Son.

I am hoping to get back to my kneeler hydro - https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show....php?t=1173296 . Kinda got sidetracked with some other projects. The framework is presently sitting on the shelf awaiting skinning. My original plan of using the GTX-650 has given way to using a Pro Boat outboard. It'll be heavy, but I like the more scale look...
Oct 18, 2012, 11:49 PM
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Jay, the driver will make a huge difference in the appearance of the boat. So too will an engine cowling. I'll definitely post pictures.

Scott, good to hear from you. Your Hedlund was a big motivator for me to make this boat. I hope you can get back to it soon. If I remember correctly, yours is 1/4 scale too.

Here's a picture of the framing. I drew it up in AutoCAD, then had everything laser cut. It went together perfectly. Lots of parts, but I added a lot of details so that the finished hull would be scale in apperance.

Oct 18, 2012, 11:53 PM
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More '50's Scale Outboard model boat stuff. Check this stuff out. These guys take it to a new level.
First time I looked at them, I thought they were full scale!
Oct 19, 2012, 12:07 AM
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Note there have been a few kneeler types on this forum you can search and see.
Nov 10, 2012, 06:40 PM
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I took the boat to the pond today. Here's a video.
111012 Test Run (2 min 11 sec)
Nov 10, 2012, 07:58 PM
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Still no driver (I was looking forward to seeing that) but I'll say it's running faster than a scale speed. Sounds like it does like to tail hop in the corners though.
I think you'll find that if you make right hand turns it will corner better unless by chance that's a reverse rotation motor & prop setup.
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Nov 11, 2012, 06:30 AM
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I think he was looking for a more scale running hydro - 1:1 hydros are left turn only.
Nov 11, 2012, 01:46 PM
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Driver and Engine Cowl: These are in process. I'm glad to hear you are following the progress and looking forward to updates. They are not progressing as fast as they could. I have to balance work, school and family, but I will keep this project moving forward and post updates. I'm looking forward to completing them.
Cornering/Tail Hop: Yes, you noticed the tail hop. I think this is mostly due to moving the batteries farther and farther forward. In my picklefork 1/4 scale kneelers, this is not a problem but in a shovelnose. Keeping it on the water is the biggest challenge. I knew this when I designed it and put every trick I know into the design to keep it on the water. The other factors of course are propeller and set up. I have only scratched the surface there.
Cornering/Direction: Chinewalker is correct. For this boat, I consiously set this up for left hand for scale purposes. Mostly, the intent for this boat was scale over racing but early indications are that it can handle the speed for racing. Interestingly, getting an outboard hydro to turn right is proving very difficult. This is a common challenge for those building and racing 1/4 Scale Kneelers. When turning right, they want to spin out very easily. They are ultra sensitive to the c/g to fin placement relationship. The prop rotation is the stock direction. I also plan to build a 1/4 scale shovelnose for nitro racing in the 20 Stock Kneeler class that is popular in the Northwest. That boat will be set up to turn right.
Nov 13, 2012, 07:14 AM
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Very nice...looking forward to seeing more of your progress....just something about these shovelnoses, they catch my eye everytime i see one....DJ
Nov 13, 2012, 08:12 PM
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shovel nose help please!

Hello guys, someone just gave me this thread to look at for help. i am looking to build a roundnose racer soon. i have been building r/c warbirds since 1972. now i would like to build my 30 year old son an old school racer as a gift. so, like the big man said " i know nothing" [hogan's hero's] about boats,motors, and hardware drive. maybe you guys could take me on as a teachable student. i have scratch built a few very large Ziroli warbirds recently and still scratch building two new E-powered float planes from plans as of today. winter is here in new hampshire and i could use plans or maybe even a dumas kit of that old roudnose type. also would like to build a 36" to 48" hull roundnose as for the size someday. any help would be great. thank you guys. btw, Olwarbirds your avaitar shows a A1-H Skyraider. tail# 500. Bob the owner is a dear friend of mine. call sign "Skyraider Bob" don
Nov 13, 2012, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by airboss45
Hello guys, someone just gave me this thread to look at for help. i am looking to build a roundnose racer soon.
Hey boss. I'm pretty sure we can find you some help (seems you have the skills) but might be good to start a thread of your own instead of a bunch of us giving instructions and suggestions in this build log.
I'm pretty sure the thread owner would appreciate it.
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Nov 13, 2012, 08:55 PM
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Hi Don, wish i could help ya guy..but im here to learn about the shovelnose myself...its one thats on my list to own/build this winter too....these guys here and on OSE (offshoreelectrics) are a very knowledgable good group of guys... DJ

PS..I love the skyraider...very special plane...if ya ever want to chat about it or any other plane shoot me a pm or email....
Sep 13, 2014, 02:29 AM
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Shovelnose Update

Finally, a driver and an engine cowling! It's been a while, but I was able to get back to working on my model. It's still not done, but it's getting there. Just wait until I get that Mk55H engine cowling painted with decals!

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