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Oct 06, 2012, 07:59 AM
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disadvantages of having a flat wing?


i know that having a wing that has more thickness on the front and less at the back creates more lift but what happens if i just made a flat foam board wing?
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Oct 06, 2012, 08:11 AM
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Flat wings work a treat ... no worries !!!
Oct 06, 2012, 08:18 AM
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You can enhance your flat wing using Kfm
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show....php?t=1296458
Oct 06, 2012, 08:46 AM
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Flat wings work a treat ... no worries !!!
are you sure? my dad said that i have to have a curvature and thickness at the front of the wing to create more lift but all of my scratchies have flat wings. could you tell me the disadvantages of it?
Oct 06, 2012, 08:59 AM
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The only disadvantage is that you will not get lift from your wings. Instead a flat wing will cut through the air and ride on it but not actually get any altitude from having a negative air pressure on the top of the wing. In fact flat wings have some of their own advantages for small aircraft such as rc planes. Flat wings are easiest to build, are lightweight, and when built true and straight are not prone to ballooning or having poor flight qualities due to improper angle of attack. The downsides are that generally a true airfoil can fly slower, and a built up wing is generally stronger.
Oct 06, 2012, 09:02 AM
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You asked gpw if he is sure?
Gee! He's only built about 57,000,000 planes. I think he's sure
This is how a flat-winger can fly.
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Oct 06, 2012, 09:20 AM
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You asked gpw if he is sure?
Gee! He's only built about 57,000,000 planes. I think he's sure
This is how a flat-winger can fly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zh5COVVwVA
Pretty badass video.....makes me wanna learn 3-D!! Baby steps, though....baby steps.
Oct 06, 2012, 09:27 AM
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Try it!Many plans call for just a flat wing.Or you can do an experiment,make a simple plane where you can change wings,then try and fly them in the same enviroment and see which you like.THe c.g may change with each wing,so do glide tests prior and adjust battery.
Oct 06, 2012, 09:48 AM
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Wasn’t Totally sure , but after seeing that Video, I’m convinced ... Thanks Whiskers , that IS some IMPRESSIVE flying .... :drool: !!!
Oct 06, 2012, 10:09 AM
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I fly like that all the time......then I wake up!That was great if he had a breeze he could have flown backwards too
Oct 06, 2012, 10:13 AM
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You asked gpw if he is sure?
Gee! He's only built about 57,000,000 planes. I think he's sure
This is how a flat-winger can fly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zh5COVVwVA
yeah but the thing is with 3D planes, they are basically helicopters that can glide a little. and iv build a meter long combat plane that's powered by a little blue wonder.
Oct 06, 2012, 10:19 AM
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Flying backwards


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I fly like that all the time......then I wake up!That was great if he had a breeze he could have flown backwards too
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Oct 06, 2012, 10:26 AM
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O.k. you lost me on that one.Reversable motor?Or just trickery?
Oct 06, 2012, 10:30 AM
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Likely a reversible prop ... Cool eh ???
Oct 06, 2012, 10:36 AM
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The only disadvantage is that you will not get lift from your wings. Instead a flat wing will cut through the air and ride on it but not actually get any altitude from having a negative air pressure on the top of the wing.
Sorry, but this is incorrect.

A flat plate wing is just like any symmetrical wing and can generate lift. The mechanism for lift generation is the same for all airfoil sections. Call it flow turning or bound vortex or whatever you want but the end result is the same.
Higher velocity flow on top relative to the bottom, hence lower pressure on top than on the bottom.

The only difference is that it can't generate as much lift, and will make more drag doing it.

Good little applet here that lets you play around with sections, including flat plates, and see the effect on lift and drag:

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/airplane/foil3.html

Flat plates work fine when the model is lightly loaded, drag is not an issue, and/or you want to spend a lot of time post-stall anyway. Pretty much defines 3D flight.

Pat MacKenzie


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