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Dec 02, 2012, 02:23 PM
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Hey! Now that Palestine is an observer in the UN, they can do some wonderful things for Israel!

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Dec 02, 2012, 02:42 PM
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Hey! There seems to have been another Jewish State already in existence - Israel is not the first!:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

1. So, just as the Israelis want there to be a "Palestine" in Jordan, ...

2. ... why not another Israel in this oblast, and ship all the Israelis there instead?
1. Let me remind you that the majority of Israelis accept the establishment of a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank, not in Jordan, so really, the hypothesis of your sentence is wrong.

2. Do you support the general idea of shipping millions of people away to a place they don't want to be?
Dec 02, 2012, 02:44 PM
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Hey! Now that Palestine is an observer in the UN, they can do some wonderful things for Israel!
Do you feel intellectually proud that you post silly photo-shopped images that have no basis in reality nor humor?
Dec 02, 2012, 03:01 PM
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1. Let me remind you that the majority of Israelis accept the establishment of a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank, not in Jordan, so really, the hypothesis of your sentence is wrong.
Moshe Sharett's and David Ben Gurion's diaries show that "transfer" of the natives was always on the agenda.
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2. Do you support the general idea of shipping millions of people away to a place they don't want to be?
Let me respond with this quote:http://desip.igc.org/The48ArabInvasi...nstructed.html
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One reason that Ben-Gurion opted for Statehood on May 14 despite international opposition was because he understood that if he held back and a truce was effected, a new Israeli State might well be forced to repatriate the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians already made refugees. Moreover, by mid-May, there remained more than 500,000 Palestinians in areas that the Jewish forces controlled or desired for their state. Ben-Gurion had no intention of allowing such a large Arab minority to remain in Israel and therefore he chose war. In the end, more than 750,000 Palestinians were exiled forever from their homes.
If Ben Gurion thought it to be Kosher, then it must be Kosher going in the other direction too!
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Dec 02, 2012, 03:03 PM
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Do you feel intellectually proud that you post silly photo-shopped images that have no basis in reality nor humor?
We are entitled to our dreams of justice being done, surely?

And regarding the cartoons I posted, is only the pro-Zionist cartoon acceptable for publication in LTUP? I was merely responding to those.
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Dec 02, 2012, 03:12 PM
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So would I. That's why I suggested supporting women's rights organisations in such countries, instead of invading them.

I'm not sure why you think I think differently.

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I suspected you thought differently due to your post, which I quoted.
Dec 02, 2012, 03:13 PM
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I don't. Do you think invasion is a solution?

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You brought up invasion. That's why I asked.
Dec 02, 2012, 03:16 PM
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I hope so, but it would seem that ''western style'' democracies are not what most people in most Muslim societies in the middle east want, at this moment in time. Just as I expect folk in the middle east to respect our right to choose our own form of government, I respect their right to do the same.
Western style democracy is simply choosing your form of government with regular elections. How do you know what people in any Muslim society wants without a regular election?
Dec 02, 2012, 03:20 PM
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Dec 02, 2012, 03:22 PM
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Does this mean you don't respect Israel at all, because it bullies Palestinians in the occupied West Bank out of their homes to make way for Jewish settlers?
If every Israeli supported the West Bank settlements then indeed I would have no respect for Israel. I do however have respect for Israelis who recognise this as part of the problem. I don't have any respect for people who with to impose an Islamic state and all that entails due to what that entails.
It's not just Islamic fundamentalists that are the problem. It is the fundametals of Islam.
Dec 02, 2012, 03:58 PM
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I guess he should change his name to "Nehh-Neeh-Neh-Neh-Nehhh!"

(We do what we want, despite what anyone else thinks or says! )

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/netanyahu-b...143822962.html
Dec 02, 2012, 05:14 PM
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Western style democracy is simply choosing your form of government with regular elections.
I disagree. For example, the Islamic State of Pakistan is a constitutional republic and has an electoral system similar to the US. But as it's an Islamic state which uses Sharia as the basis for it's laws, and ranks 2nd bottom of the Global Gender Gap Index, I would not describe it as a ''western style democracy.''

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How do you know what people in any Muslim society wants without a regular election?
By paying attention to what they say, the results of polls, and what happens in Islamic states which do have regular elections.

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Dec 02, 2012, 05:18 PM
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If every Israeli supported the West Bank settlements then indeed I would have no respect for Israel. I do however have respect for Israelis who recognise this as part of the problem.
What about those who recognise that the settlements are part of the problem, but still support them?

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I don't have any respect for people who with to impose an Islamic state and all that entails due to what that entails.
It's not just Islamic fundamentalists that are the problem. It is the fundametals of Islam.
Given that there are some countries with Christian majority populations ranking below some Islamic states on the Global Gender Gap Index, and that no country in the world today uses pure Sharia law, can you explain why you are singling out Islamic states in particular?

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Dec 02, 2012, 05:21 PM
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Western Democracy also entails freedom of the press, an independent judiciary and respect for women and minorities. Maybe Turkey qualifies, but no other major Muslim nation does...

Democracies DO make mistakes (such as Vietnam, Iraq & Afghanistan); Israel under right-wing prime ministers (e.g., Begin, Sharon and Netanyahoo) has made plenty.
Dec 02, 2012, 06:18 PM
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(Note also the several contemporary reasons (other than Zionism) for Arab antisemitism.)
Here's how to get rid of antisemitism once and for all! - right, Michael?


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