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Sep 07, 2012, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jasmine2501
No i don't recall making any such assertion. Checked the page to be sure too.
Good, we both agree that Wikipedia is an acurite reference for this discussion.
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Sep 07, 2012, 06:40 PM
No crab in a cross wind? Gerry get a hold of yourself man! Stop, think, then type.
Sep 07, 2012, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Gerry__
Good, we both agree that Wikipedia is an acurite reference for this discussion.
I don't know what that means but no I don't think Wikipedia is known for accuracy. Pretty much exactly what I said. I did not say anything about any particular article that hasn't been posted.
Sep 07, 2012, 06:55 PM
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You all are cracking me up. Ok I get it. A crab not a slip. Understood. The wind has died so much that I don't believe I can even crab this evening, but I'll give it a shot. I'm not complaining about no wind though. Now the 99+ degrees that's another thing. Best bring a big cup of ice water.
Sep 08, 2012, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by jasmine2501
I don't know what that means but no I don't think Wikipedia is known for accuracy. Pretty much exactly what I said. I did not say anything about any particular article that hasn't been posted.
Do you think the wiki articles concerning aerodynamics are acurite? I do, having read many of them, I could not find any inaccuracies. They appear to be well written and well referenced.

Anyway, sounds like the op now understands the difference between crab and slip and why a 3ch plane cannot do the latter.
Sep 08, 2012, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Logan4169
No crab in a cross wind? Gerry get a hold of yourself man! Stop, think, then type.
Not what I meant and you know it.

Still waiting for videos of 3ch planes (elevator, rudder throttle) in a sideslip.
Sep 08, 2012, 11:37 AM
Gerry I do know that you know, but this is a public forum and if I let it go then people might have gotten the wrong idea.
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Sep 08, 2012, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Logan4169
Gerry I do know that you know, but this is a public forum and if let it go then people might have gotten the wrong idea.
I've added clarification, so, hopefully, no one will get confused.
Sep 08, 2012, 03:51 PM
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I tried last evening, but there was no wind at all. Today I went out to the club field and it was windier than heck, but I didn't bring the cub.
Sep 08, 2012, 04:14 PM
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I tried last evening, but there was no wind at all. Today I went out to the club field and it was windier than heck, but I didn't bring the cub.
Funny how that works huh?
Sep 08, 2012, 06:00 PM
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This is an interesting topic to me because I have been asked to design a first airplane trainer. I just wish you guys could discuss this without all the butthurt.

My initial belief was that people should learn with four channels, but if for no other reason than marketing, possibly a three channel would be a better choice.

Here are my pros and cons: Four channels fly better, especially in wind. Three channels are easier to fly. Four channels are more expensive to make and more difficult to repair. Three channels can be made more crash resistant. Three channels are more commonly advised as first airplane, therefore the beginner will more likely be looking for that and more people would be suggesting it.

Something that I have not seen mentioned here is the fact that people learn to fly differently now than they did a few years ago. These days most people learn on simulators for both model and full scale. Because of this trend it is possible that beginners will eventually start leaning towards four channels as their first real life model. One thing is certain, the vast majority now learn on their own without the traditional instructor/buddy-box.

I have still not fully decided which way to go on this. I learned to fly with ailerons so I have a bias. My personal aircraft all use ailerons, but this thread has shown me that this may not be best choice for everyone.
Sep 08, 2012, 06:03 PM
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I tried last evening, but there was no wind at all. Today I went out to the club field and it was windier than heck, but I didn't bring the cub.
You don't need any wind to demonstrate a sideslip. But, like I said, don't waste your time trying, as it's impossible.
Sep 08, 2012, 06:22 PM
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To hot, too windy, not enough wind, forgot something. All good excuses, but I use them to go fly, not to get out of it.
Sep 08, 2012, 06:48 PM
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To hot, too windy, not enough wind, forgot something. All good excuses, but I use them to go fly, not to get out of it.
Oh I flew! Just last evening there wasn't enough wind to perform a crab with the Cub. Today it was windy, but got a few flights in. Wind generally doesn't ground me unless it's out of control wind. As far as the heat. That's something you just learn to put up with in Texas.
Sep 08, 2012, 06:51 PM
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@Gerry_

I understand that the sideslip is not what I've been doing. To perform the crab. I need wind.


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