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Old Sep 11, 2012, 10:19 AM
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IceManPro: Mark:

OK, I upgraded the firmware to 1.6. No difference.

Then I tried what you suggested above.
First I reversed the rudder in my RC transmitter.
Actually, the way the RTF plane came (but I used my own Receiver) I had to reverse the Rudder and Elevator to make the controls go in the proper directions (before installing gyro).

Then, in the PC Tool program I inverted the Rudder channel (5) and did the Send in the Basic screen.

Now the rudder corrected properly.

I did the same with the Elevator channel (1) next.

Now I get the proper corrections.

Perhaps, because of the way my servos were set up, and had to be reversed to work correctly, the BL-3G needed inverted inputs also.

Anyway, I'm sure the ailerons will work properly now, and, if not, I'll know how to reverse them.

It might be easier when your updates to the SW and FW are done.

Thanks for your help.

Ted
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Old Sep 11, 2012, 10:30 AM
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IceManPro: Mark:

Forgot to mention.

Although the controls and the gyro corrections all move in the proper directions now, the Blue and Green bars in the Tools > Test section move in the same direction now.

Ted
Old Sep 11, 2012, 09:18 PM
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IceManPro: Mark:

Forgot to mention.

Although the controls and the gyro corrections all move in the proper directions now, the Blue and Green bars in the Tools > Test section move in the same direction now.

Ted
HI Ted, OK, great. Yes this is as expected, it will be different depending on different people's set ups (FYI the BL-3GRC inverts only at the outputs, we will make it more easy in the next release to configure for these issues)
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Old Sep 11, 2012, 09:20 PM
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Has anybody used this on a quad
We've done much testing on quad and hex copters (we have a .txt set up script on our website for this). You can also see here:
ICE-MAN Gyro on hex-copter with camera (0 min 39 sec)


Our AHRS will come out later to allow hands free flying.
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Old Sep 11, 2012, 09:31 PM
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yes, you just set the proper reversing on the gyro. In this case if you were to mount it label up, then switch to label down, you reverse the rudder and the elevator, aileron will stay the same.
But when starting new, you have to check the reversing of all 3 anyway.
http://www.mycoolrc.com/gyro/gyrotestpage.html
Thanks Melnic (my hat's off to you). Update to this MOUNTING UP-SIDE-DOWN issue. In fact it can be done. Procedure is this:
1) Mount the gyro (face up or down) and connect it all up so control surfaces move as wanted with the sticks
2) If any gyro actions are the wrong way round do this:
- invert the axis (pitch, roll or yaw) at the RC transmitter
- then either select the alternative (negative) Gyro output (or invert in the gyro set up s/w) to go to the servo
That should do it. As I said we will make all this a lot easier in the next s/w and f/w releases
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Old Sep 11, 2012, 11:54 PM
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That would be a nice improvement, thanks.

I had the same "reverse" effect. No gyro - controls moved one way, add the gyro and I had to reverse the servo directions on two of the channels. There was no other way to get correct response directions AND correct input directions.

A bit confusing till I worked out what happened.

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HI Ted, OK, great. Yes this is as expected, it will be different depending on different people's set ups (FYI the BL-3GRC inverts only at the outputs, we will make it more easy in the next release to configure for these issues)
Old Sep 12, 2012, 12:33 AM
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FYI pass through current testing with the BL-3GRC ICE-MAN Gyro:
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Description: No problem to pass through high servo currents.
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Old Sep 12, 2012, 12:37 AM
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We've done much testing on quad and hex copters (we have a .txt set up script on our website for this). You can also see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Strl8V0l4yU

Our AHRS will come out later to allow hands free flying.
Thank you very much for your reply
Would it be better to wate for the pro to come out
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Old Sep 12, 2012, 11:22 PM
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Thank you very much for your reply
Would it be better to wate for the pro to come out
Really depends what type of flying you want to do and your budget..
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Old Sep 12, 2012, 11:29 PM
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Sport and some fpv on the side
Old Sep 13, 2012, 09:35 PM
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If you don't want to concentrate too much on the actual flying and instead need to have some time for fpv and pictures then I would suggest to wait for the Pro..
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Old Sep 13, 2012, 10:09 PM
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If you don't want to concentrate too much on the actual flying and instead need to have some time for fpv and pictures then I would suggest to wait for the Pro..
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Thank for your honesty I will be getting one of your pro flight controllers as soon as they come out
Old Sep 13, 2012, 10:51 PM
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Not bad at all. Just ordered it on Aug 31 and received it today. Only 14 days from Thailand which is much faster than shipping from HK. HK usually takes 3 to 4 weeks to receive my orders.

What a pleasant surprise.....Printed Manual and it is in English......Super....
Not only that but you get a USB cable, Mini CDrom, Servo jumper leads and
even a screw driver for the small pots on the Ice-Man..

I will be installing this in my 3DHS SU-26 tomorrow and will have a flight report by Tuesday the 18th.

Cheers, JR
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Not bad at all. Just ordered it on Aug 31 and received it today. Only 14 days from Thailand which is much faster than shipping from HK. HK usually takes 3 to 4 weeks to receive my orders.

What a pleasant surprise.....Printed Manual and it is in English......Super....
Not only that but you get a USB cable, Mini CDrom, Servo jumper leads and
even a screw driver for the small pots on the Ice-Man..

I will be installing this in my 3DHS SU-26 tomorrow and will have a flight report by Tuesday the 18th.

Cheers, JR
Cool. I suggest you update the s/w / f/w just to be up-to-date, and also check out the most updated user manual from Bluelight website, also the FAQ section.
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Old Sep 14, 2012, 08:13 AM
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FYI pass through current testing with the BL-3GRC ICE-MAN Gyro:
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How much of a voltage drop is it from Input to Output?
The voltage drop will relate to how much of a BUMP one part of the 5V rail will see if there is a surge in current.
If your battery is plugged into the pin that goes directly to the Internal power, that will be best.
But servos will often see "bumps" in power drops when they or other servos pull more power.
Battery Internal resistance or the quality of voltage regulation and battery lead thickness for a BEC all come into play.

People using weak batteries, thin BEC wires (like those on a cheap ESC that has an internal BEC) all came into factor with people getting drop outs with Spektrum Receivers.

Eagletree runs solder across the tops of the +5 & GnD headers to lower the resistance of that bus so it does not matter which plug the power comes in on.

Since you are supplying 4 full 3 pin servo wires and the wire diameters are large, that makes your product better for handling higher current servos provided the 5v/gnd bus across those headers have thick traces or solder going across them. The Eagletree supplies that muli connector and only 1 wire provides +5V and ground to the Eagle Tree and the Servos making it require an external solution for higher current draws more than a couple amps.
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