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Old Oct 10, 2012, 02:50 PM
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Lance must be so proud to have participated in such a successful program!
Old Oct 10, 2012, 03:13 PM
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USADA came along too late even if they have anything tangable...

It's like when one of the lesser techs does a job at the shop and I am sked to make it right... My gripe is I wanted the whole job, the money was aleady taken from it. The money here is long gone, there is nothing to pass on and as most of you know the rest of the pack was probably equally doped.

So the point is?
Old Oct 10, 2012, 03:39 PM
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So the point is?
Sending the message that dopers will eventually be named and shamed!
Old Oct 10, 2012, 05:39 PM
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So the point is?


This point is that Lance and his supporters have been using the "He's the most tested man in history, and he never tested positive" to prove that he wasn't doping. Now if we find out he was doping that means he's a bold faced liar, and his supporters are stupid for using that line of reasoning to prove he didn't cheat.

If he cheated he should be publicly shamed, and maybe in the future it'll bite him in the ass with endorsement deals and job offers.

The best thing that ever happened to Lance was getting cancer, as far as his career is concerned. A lot of people were saying way back then that the cancer was a result of his doping.

If I was one of the companies that sponsors him like Nike I'd seriously consider dropping him. The only thing he has going for him now is his work for the cancer charity.



This could be the biggest scandal in the history of sports cheating since Smokey Yunick created the 7/8 scale Chevelle for NASCAR racing......that and the time they impounded his illegal gas tank and he drove off without it
Old Oct 10, 2012, 06:31 PM
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Looks like we may finally find out if they have anything on Lance or not.

"The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency says it will release Wednesday more than 1,000 pages of evidence detailing the involvement of cyclist Lance Armstrong in what the agency calls "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen."



http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/10...ong/?hpt=hp_t1

I just read that story...even Lance's wife was involved...no wonder why you never heard anything from her about the doping rumors over the years.


BUSTED !.
Old Oct 10, 2012, 08:43 PM
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So how far back in the peloton do we have to go to find a rider pure as Snow White?
Old Oct 10, 2012, 11:58 PM
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So how far back in the peloton do we have to go to find a rider pure as Snow White?


Prety far back as even Hincapie admits he was doping, but that's not the point.


Lance has said all along that he was 100% totally clean, and that other people were out on a witch hunt to prove otherwise just to ruin his reputation.

It looks like this whole time he was not only lying about it, be also that HE was the one behind all the doping, not only for himself but for his teammates too.

The sport was trying to clean itself up, and Lance was not only going back to the old doping ways but also doing it in such manner of using new drugs on the market, high tech ways to beat doping controls, and having friends on the inside to tip him off to when the tests would take place. That's way beyond what other riders were doing at the time, and that's why they got caught and he didn't.

What Lance was doing wasn't just some guy being given PEDs by his coach, he was the one in charge of the whole program.
Old Oct 11, 2012, 12:16 AM
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what's disappointing is that in his book, he used cancer as one of the main reasons to combat the charges of doping...that after beating cancer, how could anyone think he'd be crazy enough to put chemicals in his body.
Old Oct 11, 2012, 12:56 AM
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Old Oct 11, 2012, 01:55 AM
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A very interesting read.
Old Oct 11, 2012, 02:39 AM
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Sending the message that dopers will eventually be named and shamed!
Golly, I sure would be ashamed if I had been doping. In fact the 10's of millions of dollars that I made off the sport would just barely be enough to get me over the shame. Just barely....
Old Oct 11, 2012, 12:01 PM
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I am a Lance Armstrong ideologue and you can document your lies all you want, but you won't budge my unyielding belief in him. See, I can fit right in here at LTUP.
Old Oct 11, 2012, 12:16 PM
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This could be the biggest scandal in the history of sports cheating since Smokey Yunick created the 7/8 scale Chevelle for NASCAR racing......that and the time they impounded his illegal gas tank and he drove off without it
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Another Yunick improvisation was getting around the regulations specifying a maximum size for the fuel tank, by using eleven foot (three meter) coils of 2-inch (5-centimeter) diameter tubing for the fuel line to add about 5 gallons (19 liters) to the car's fuel capacity. Once, NASCAR officials came up with a list of nine items for Yunick to fix before the car would be allowed on the track. The suspicious NASCAR officials had removed the tank for inspection. Yunick started the car with no gas tank and said "Better make it ten,"[3] and drove it back to the pits. He used a basketball in the fuel tank which could be inflated when the car's fuel capacity was checked and deflated for the race.


Yunick also used such innovations as offset chassis, raised floors, roof spoilers, nitrous oxide injection, and other modifications often within the letter of the rule-book, if not the spirit. "All those other guys were cheatin' 10 times worse than us," Yunick wrote in his autobiography, "so it was just self-defense." Yunick's success was also due to his expertise in the aerodynamics of racing cars
Yunick is good example of how an honest cheater is still loved by the crowd.... must be a lesson there somewhere.
Old Oct 11, 2012, 12:33 PM
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The best way of winning any contest or competition is to look closely at the rules and work them to your advantage.

John O-Donnell - just packed in FAI Free Flight after well over half a century at the top of his game, always wins the Free Flight Scale stuff he enters with a truly appalling non scale model - it's got a sort of 'stand way off scale' outline, but no detail, no paint finish, no guns or pilot or any of that 'scale malarkey' stuff (as John puts it)!

He worked out that the flying points way outstripped scale fidelity points - so he gets lousy static marks and wins on flying by a factor of about 10 to 1.

He still can't understand why the Scale boys do what they do, regarding the comps in question, so he keeps winning!
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The best way of winning any contest or competition is to look closely at the rules and work them to your advantage.

John O-Donnell - just packed in FAI Free Flight after well over half a century at the top of his game, always wins the Free Flight Scale stuff he enters with a truly appalling non scale model - it's got a sort of 'stand way off scale' outline, but no detail, no paint finish, no guns or pilot or any of that 'scale malarkey' stuff (as John puts it)!

He worked out that the flying points way outstripped scale fidelity points - so he gets lousy static marks and wins on flying by a factor of about 10 to 1.

He still can't understand why the Scale boys do what they do, regarding the comps in question, so he keeps winning!
to some, winning is everything. To others, it's the competition and spirit ... but that's usually said by those that don't win.


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