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Aug 13, 2012, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 3pfilms
Steadicam is a registered trademark for a camera stabilization system that's been around for 30 years, owned by Tiffen. I doubt they'll end up using that name in the US at least. I hate when companies rip off others hard work...
thats easy just change to steadi-cam or steadycam. just like spectrum to spektrum
I really understand that companys should respect trade names but changing a letter or adding a sign is a good way to circumvent.

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Originally Posted by nicodh
Another copy of ecilop. Great....
the more the merrier, why wouldnt you like more options. even if they are subpar compared to the original its good to keep the free market healthy and LET THEM fight for your money not WE defend THEIR profit.

(it amazes me the fights over they copy design or clone this or trademark the other one, let the lawyers worry about that and enjoy the better price or better product etc.)

Guys we have to remember its not reinventing the wheel is just counterweight and gyros, etc (inventions that have been with us for lot of years at least gyros and counterweights, not about flight controllers or others stuffs )

just my 2 cents and sry if it sounds to harsh
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Aug 13, 2012, 08:02 PM
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The only thing that bugs *me* is that the original was recently brought to market by a single innovative engineer who did all the legwork. I know the concept is easy, but the small details and testing probably took a lot of effort on the part of the engineer. This kinda thing pushes out the smart guys bringing us all this new technology since they know the chinese will just copy their design and steal their business. If it were two larger companies duking it out I wouldn't care as much. Just my opinion.
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Aug 13, 2012, 08:31 PM
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how much is it?
Aug 13, 2012, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by signal7
The only thing that bugs *me* is that the original was recently brought to market by a single innovative engineer who did all the legwork. I know the concept is easy, but the small details and testing probably took a lot of effort on the part of the engineer. This kinda thing pushes out the smart guys bringing us all this new technology since they know the chinese will just copy their design and steal their business. If it were two larger companies duking it out I wouldn't care as much. Just my opinion.
I share the same point of view

The time spended by ecilop in testing a basic 'wheel' to optimize it, and the idea to put this 'wheel' on this place, nobody did it befor. When a small business like ecilop is copyed by chinese it just stop the development of other projects...Maybe even better and cheaper ones
Aug 13, 2012, 09:38 PM
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No point in asking how much, or when. Its just like another thread of a guy who post his "new gimbal" where everyone ask when and how much.

And when when he post, its more YouTube videos of his gimbal. No words, descriptions .
Aug 13, 2012, 09:41 PM
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+1 signal7, simiban. But take care, the "600 USD is too much" trolls will come out of the woods soon like happened in the other Ecilop copy/steal thread.

Indeed a shame that ZERO turned out to be just another ruthless plagiarist company.
Aug 14, 2012, 02:59 AM
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Actually, early in March this year,Zero already had completed the Steadicam on Quad-rotor and Octo-rotor, and it's even earlier than the sales of ECILOPS, videos here:

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzcyNzc3NDcy.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzY3Mjk2MTk2.html
Aug 14, 2012, 03:11 AM
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+1 signal7, simiban. But take care, the "600 USD is too much" trolls will come out of the woods soon like happened in the other Ecilop copy/steal thread.

Indeed a shame that ZERO turned out to be just another ruthless plagiarist company.
Yeah, because it is simply too much, it does not include servos or anything. For $600 I'd better get Askman's belt driven gimbal with high end servos.
Aug 14, 2012, 04:01 AM
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Aug 14, 2012, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by alek3d
Yeah, because it is simply too much, it does not include servos or anything. For $600 I'd better get Askman's belt driven gimbal with high end servos.
But do you remember that Ecilop is not just camera gimbal, it is complete airframe plus gimbal? I was also thinking tht 600 is too much and decided to build my own Ecilop's clone but when i start building from scratch-I've understood why it is so much, there are a LOT of custom made parts in theEecilop, there is not just a compilation ready parts which you can easily get in any hobby store...
Aug 14, 2012, 04:34 AM
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I 100% understand that. It is not mass produced, hence more expensive. I am ok with that. Still, I prefer Askman's gimbal for the price because if not anything else, it is interchangeable, I can use it on any craft, while Ecilop's is the whole thing (quad+gimbal), it's not foldable, there is no other config than quad, ...
Aug 14, 2012, 04:42 AM
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Actually, early in March this year,Zero already had completed the Steadicam on Quad-rotor and Octo-rotor, and it's even earlier than the sales of ECILOPS, videos here:
But to be honest Alexeys's Idea appeared on RCG much earlier https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show....php?t=1567054
Aug 14, 2012, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Parift
Actually, early in March this year,Zero already had completed the Steadicam on Quad-rotor and Octo-rotor, and it's even earlier than the sales of ECILOPS
Some other companies have asked for my agreement to use the technology. I promised no profit/time limits. Seems, I must speed up international paper works and to create a special ban for some zero-guys.

Priority date of the patented invention is June 29, year 2011.

Video presentations of the Ecilop-1, Ecilop-2, Ecilop-3 drones was published in 2011.

Pay attention to the Ecilop policy:
If you copy this principle of camera stabilization, each technical or marketing text related to your product(s) must mention the name of the technology's author and an active link to Ecilop.tv (Camera rotation control by Aleksey Zaitsevsky, Ecilop.tv ).

Abstract: The invention is related to controllable mechanical platforms for video cameras that make it possible to control the camera's rotation and to stabilize its position. The inertial and active stabilization of the camera are used simultaneously. The control signal is summarized with the electronic gyroscope signal and is sent to the servomechanism. There is no rigid connection between the servomechanism and the axis of the camera's rotation. The main area of application are lightweight, unmanned flying devices

Ecilop-1 was created in March of 2011:
Ecilop 1 - Camera stabilization system. (2 min 46 sec)
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Aug 14, 2012, 06:13 AM
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If you have commercial interests in your invention (I thought you did), then you have already been way too careless. They will not just copy you but if you are not fast enough with the patent they will file the patent for your invention on their name and then will sue you for using "their" technology. It's a typical problem European companies have these days with the far east copycats.

In your case they just buy an Ecilop directly or via a puppet and they have what they need. In case of multi-mio dollar machines (heavy industry), they use the patent documents as input. Some European companies therefore don't file patents anymore and try to hinder the theft by encapsulating certain important parts of a machine, e.g. by filling them with epoxy such that the copycats can't open them. Or if they do, the inner parts get destroyed.

Anyway, the copycats are not the real problem. The fences who buy the copied stuff are the real problem. They don't care about the inventors' IPs because "limited" as they are they have never and will never invent anything.
Aug 14, 2012, 09:10 AM
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Lol.


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