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Nov 12, 2001, 09:07 AM
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Plane Crash in NY


I just heard there was another plane crash in NY. Has anyone heard any details.... I'm having problems getting to the news sites.
Nov 12, 2001, 09:10 AM
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First reports said a B767, then an A300. Sounds like it may have been an accident, originally they said it was landing at JFK, now that it was shortly after take off from JFK.
Nov 12, 2001, 09:11 AM
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The BBC news site seems OK:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/1651984.stm
Nov 12, 2001, 01:10 PM
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Since it already happened......and the cause is unknown lets speculate.

Either it was another terrorist act or it was some kind of mechanical problem.

I would rather it be a terrorist attack attached to the taliban so we would step up the war efforts and really kick the crap out of them - today and tomorrow. Not next week or next month but NOW !!! Also, it would prove that security has not been updated fast enough !! After flight 800, the FAA bought several "bomb sniffer" machines that luggage passes through. To date, more sit in their delivery boxes than are being used. Sad fact.....

This may seem harsh, but we cant turn back the clock and make it not happen but only deal with the aftermath.


Alan W (a native NYer tired of it raining jumbo-jets)
Nov 12, 2001, 01:28 PM
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Engine (1 of only 2) falls off heavily loaded aircraft on takeoff.
Aircraft crashes.
That's reality.
Nov 12, 2001, 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Sparky Paul
Engine (1 of only 2) falls off heavily loaded aircraft on takeoff.
Aircraft crashes.
That's reality.
Engines don't just "fall" off for no reason.
Nov 12, 2001, 02:02 PM
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That maybe correct Cue; but they've fallen off before w/o an explosion -- AA DC-10 our of ORD late 70's.
Nov 12, 2001, 02:55 PM
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Hmmmm..... nobody in the news seems to have picked up (so far anyway) that this is the same engine type (family) that spit out it's first stage fan disk to cause the well publicized crash in Souix City Iowa a few years ago. having that happen to a wing mounted engine would probably puncture the wing fuel tank.

I'm not saying that's what happened,but it is a possbility and I'm surprised the "Hype" it up media hasn't commented

Couldn't be that GE owns a lot of media outlets could it...?

My $.03

JimmyJoeBob
Nov 12, 2001, 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by jrb
That maybe correct Cue; but they've fallen off before w/o an explosion -- AA DC-10 our of ORD late 70's.
I didnt say without an explosion, I said without a reason, could be mech problems or anything, but they have not nor never will just fall of without a reason.
Nov 12, 2001, 03:01 PM
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Cue, tell me something that happens w/o a reason?
Nov 12, 2001, 03:40 PM
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Cue, tell me something that happens w/o a reason?
exactly, the way sparky posted was like it was no big deal, a engine just fell off and the plane crashed, maybe he should work for the NTSB
Nov 12, 2001, 06:08 PM
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OK, just to be cranky, I hope that it was mechanical failure...
that will dilute the effectiveness of terrorism of this kind... right?
Nov 12, 2001, 06:15 PM
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Sioux City is my favorite NTSB report of all time. Flight crew (including the check pilot on board) performed way beyond normal expectations... unbelievable sequence of events and spectacular human response...
We must wait for more data/info before we call this one
Nov 12, 2001, 06:34 PM
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Actually GE does own CBS. John Z.
Nov 12, 2001, 06:56 PM
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This event brings up many technical questions, beginning with the established noise
abatement profile from that runway at JFK..
As the A300 is certified to fly at the loading condition it had, with a single engine
failure, what is the permitted procedure under that situation..
Does AA or the FAA permit a deviation from the profile?
As the engine didn't just fail, it fell off...
Which the pilot's could not have known.. only that the engine instruments showed a
complete failure...
.

Which systems were affected.. hydraulics, electrical, mechanical..
.
Is this situation EVER trained for? I expect not!
.
With the report of "fuel dumping" prior to the crash, this indicates the wing
was damaged when the engine fell off. What -additional- damage was created by
this?
Which systems were further degraded with the damaged wing?
.