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Jun 03, 2012, 06:40 AM
Libertas in Infinitum
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open carry solves many of these issues ... at least that's my opinion.
Jun 03, 2012, 07:39 AM
turn, turn, turn.
Following the instructions of a manager of the store would be a good start.
Jun 03, 2012, 08:47 AM
Low, slow and dirty
The police shot him multiple times without even giving him a chance to comply with their instructions. His gun was holsterd, "there was no threat" there was no second gun, it was a throwdown that police use when they know they went to far and don't want to get in trouble..

Taking into account the "shoplifter police" Lying about what actually was happening. I'd say he should hang just as well as the police involved for over reacting....I don't see how anyone can side with the police in this matter unless your a "gun hating socialists commie"

If thats the case, I can only hope that someday, you'll find yourself in the sites of a cop that feels it's his/her right, "to kill you for whatever mess-up reason he/she can fathom".

I hope the family takes it to civil court!
Jun 03, 2012, 08:53 AM
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open carry solves many of these issues ... at least that's my opinion.
The only problem with open carry, which is legal in nevada and I have seen civilians with ar15s on the strip, is that you are more likely to have someone take your gun and shoot you with it than if it were concealed.
Jun 03, 2012, 09:17 AM
Trons and Fumes
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Now that's funny!
Don't forget to take your high blood pressure medicine buddy.

On topic ... Maybe the guy should have left the store when asked.... but somehow that concealed weapon makes people think they are above the law.
That is a bit of a generalization that isn't valid. Those that I know (and I know more than a few) fully understand trespass law.

Is there any indication that he didn't?

Oh, and some of the police weren't perfect, and did encounter other problems later in their careers....


http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011...indicted-gun-/
Jun 03, 2012, 09:52 AM
Libertas in Infinitum
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The only problem with open carry, which is legal in nevada and I have seen civilians with ar15s on the strip, is that you are more likely to have someone take your gun and shoot you with it than if it were concealed.
Make level 3 holster mandatory for open carry side arms. Open carry rifles need to be unloaded.
Jun 03, 2012, 10:01 AM
Trons and Fumes
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The only problem with open carry, which is legal in nevada and I have seen civilians with ar15s on the strip, is that you are more likely to have someone take your gun and shoot you with it than if it were concealed.
It is virtually unreported for that to happen. I think I have seen 2 or 3 nationwide.

In other words, it is FUD.


A larger 'problem' is that it is a PR struggle, because of people who are virtually insulated from firearms, and completely ignorant of them; or, who are simply frightened of the sight of them for some reason.
Jun 03, 2012, 10:01 AM
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I think the cop overeacted, but in his defense I would say that any LE officer would be very jittery confronting an armed individual even if they had a carry permit, particularly if there had already been some sort of argument/confrontation in the store prior to his arrival on the scene. One of the top scenarios for dead police officers is in dealing with domestic disputes or heated arguments particularly if there are guns involved. I've seen it happen!
Jun 03, 2012, 10:32 AM
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I think the cop overeacted, but in his defense I would say that any LE officer would be very jittery confronting an armed individual even if they had a carry permit, particularly if there had already been some sort of argument/confrontation in the store prior to his arrival on the scene. One of the top scenarios for dead police officers is in dealing with domestic disputes or heated arguments particularly if there are guns involved. I've seen it happen!
In this case, the 'heated' argument was created by the store employee. And, according to the reports I have seen, he overstated the problem, and basically caused the entire confrontation. And a person who was simply shopping in the store is dead.
Jun 03, 2012, 10:34 AM
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That is a bit of a generalization that isn't valid. Those that I know (and I know more than a few) fully understand trespass law.

Is there any indication that he didn't?

Oh, and some of the police weren't perfect, and did encounter other problems later in their careers....


http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011...indicted-gun-/
It's true I was generalizing.
It may not be relevant to this case.
Jun 03, 2012, 10:35 AM
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A larger 'problem' is that it is a PR struggle, because of people who are virtually insulated from firearms, and completely ignorant of them; or, who are simply frightened of the sight of them for some reason.
In my lifetime I don't recall anyone but LE or security guards brandishing firearms in public places, so I don't think it's a "problem" when many citizens feel uncomfortable with people not in a position of authority such as LE walking around with exposed rifles or handguns.
Jun 03, 2012, 10:35 AM
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In this case, the 'heated' argument was created by the store employee. And, according to the reports I have seen, he overstated the problem, and basically caused the entire confrontation. And a person who was simply shopping in the store is dead.
Which is why I suggested that if he had just complied, this wouldn't have happened.
Jun 03, 2012, 10:37 AM
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In this case, the 'heated' argument was created by the store employee. And, according to the reports I have seen, he overstated the problem, and basically caused the entire confrontation. And a person who was simply shopping in the store is dead.
And years ago a deputy answering a domestic next door was shot dead.
Jun 03, 2012, 10:49 AM
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IIRC the regular police forces of Ireland, Great Britain, New Zealand and a few other European countries normally don't carry firearms with them, of course they also don't normally encounter folks going shopping with a sidearm strapped to them. Oh well, so much for that "an armed society is a polite society" nonsense.
Jun 03, 2012, 10:54 AM
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It's true I was generalizing.
It may not be relevant to this case.
It is also a generalization that isn't valid at all, relevance notwithstanding.


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