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Old Mar 13, 2012, 02:48 PM
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Am I cheating with my design of the Enterprise-A


On my design for the Enterprise-A is this permissible to make it float?

The design on my full fuse Enterprise, I have run to a snag as I can make it fly but not exactly float ( I did find out a way to make it float but have to put in an added transparent component between the nacelles /thanks to my fiend Klaus's suggestion) or should I go back to the drawing board and figure out another way to make it float?

here are some pictures to illustrate what I am talking about (courtesy of Klaus)

I would appreciate any and all suggestions and or advise
Dave
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Old Mar 13, 2012, 03:02 PM
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Dave... you are killing me.

Why do you keep starting new threads for this one design? You really will have better luck if you keep everything together. When you add new info it brings your old thread right to the front.
Old Mar 13, 2012, 03:07 PM
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I started this question because I is a basic question if cheating on a design or not
Old Mar 13, 2012, 03:11 PM
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with this cheat


with this cheat the Enterprise floats waving side to side as it goes through the air
Old Mar 13, 2012, 06:57 PM
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I would change the design of the saucer section to make it a flat disc and use that as a wing to generate most of the lift rather than having those ribbed sections that give it more shape but likely kill the aerodynamics. The control surfaces on the tail would then do the rest.
Old Mar 13, 2012, 10:46 PM
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I would change the design of the saucer section to ... that give it more shape but likely kill the aerodynamics. The control surfaces on the tail would then do the rest.
I have seen three primary design concepts for the saucer section, each had advantages, but the disadvantages were often the focus of the discussions. Since the motor location is often in the saucer section, you are forced to make it stronger than one would a glider version. You can see at least two standard methods on Youtube, and an Internet search should bring up two more. As to using ribs to give the saucer section a classic look, that is where most end up with the wrong focus if a good RC flyer is the objective. As you stated, the saucer is used to generate most of the lift, but the lift must be balanced to the rest of the model if keeping as close to a scale copy is your objective. Since I don't care all that much about keeping it scale, I have a great deal of liberty in the design and appearance.

My hand gliders suggest the saucer section should be enlarged and look more like a flying body design, and oval seems to be a good option. The rest of the attachments need to be reduced in size, as if a cartoon version, and only hint at the TV show model arrangement. The key is not allowing those additional parts to induce so much drag as to limit the RC models ability to perform well. It really comes down to what you want the RC flyer to do - Look like a TV show prop, or fly well. Once you have decided which is more important, the rest of the decisions you make will be better focused.
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Old Mar 13, 2012, 11:37 PM
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I have seen three primary design concepts for the saucer section, each had advantages, but the disadvantages were often the focus of the discussions. Since the motor location is often in the saucer section, you are forced to make it stronger than one would a glider version. You can see at least two standard methods on Youtube, and an Internet search should bring up two more. As to using ribs to give the saucer section a classic look, that is where most end up with the wrong focus if a good RC flyer is the objective. As you stated, the saucer is used to generate most of the lift, but the lift must be balanced to the rest of the model if keeping as close to a scale copy is your objective. Since I don't care all that much about keeping it scale, I have a great deal of liberty in the design and appearance.

My hand gliders suggest the saucer section should be enlarged and look more like a flying body design, and oval seems to be a good option. The rest of the attachments need to be reduced in size, as if a cartoon version, and only hint at the TV show model arrangement. The key is not allowing those additional parts to induce so much drag as to limit the RC models ability to perform well. It really comes down to what you want the RC flyer to do - Look like a TV show prop, or fly well. Once you have decided which is more important, the rest of the decisions you make will be better focused.
The pictures were only to show where the transparency would be located if I use that method, the ship was klaus's design not mine.
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The pictures were only to show where the transparency would be located if I use that method, the ship was klaus's design not mine.
Even though the ship isn't your design, I think you might be on to something useful.
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