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Old Mar 06, 2012, 09:39 PM
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Anyone know what this motor can do?


I just picked up a motor from a seller here, a 4258-400kv BL outrunner. It's what comes in a starmax 63 inch P-47. http://www.generalhobby.com/large-st...lay-p-291.html


From the seller and other things I've read, it swings a 4-blade 16-inch prop and draws around 65 amps on 4S. Cool and everything, but I'm looking to use it in a different application. Looking to use it as a power system for a 3D plane, approximate weight 4-5 pounds. I'd also be putting either a 2 or a 3 blade prop on it. Here's my big concern:

Can it handle 5 or even 6S lipos?
What is its max amp rating?
What kind of wattage/thrust is this motor capable of producing?

I would test it myself, but I would only be able to test it on 3S. And my neighbor who flys RC doesn't have an ESC or batteries which could handle this thing. I'm designing my own airplane, and trying to build it around the powerplant. I'll be working on buying the ESC and suitable batteries later. For now, I'm just trying to get the airframe designed and built. Can anyone enlighten me about this motor's specs? Despite almost an hour of searching, what I have here is about all I know. There is a Turingy motor from Hobby King which is a 4258 at 400KV, but ti doesn't appear to have the same ability that the Starmax one does. Thanks for any help you can provide!
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Old Mar 06, 2012, 09:40 PM
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power it up with your 'lightsabre' ?
Old Mar 07, 2012, 06:56 AM
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Easy answer / rule of thumb: weigh it. Multiply weight in grams by three and there is a ballpark max input in watts. Divide that by the voltage of your proposed batteries and you have a ballpark max amps for the motor with those batteries. You will get different max amps for 3S, 4S, 6S.

When talking watts on a motor, we are talking watts input, not watts output. Most of us don't have the instrumentation to measure watts output.

Working with your numbers, the motor should weigh around 320 gms or 11 ounces. If it weighs considerably less, I would begin to doubt the 65 amps or that it runs cool at that level. Can't think of any reason why a Starmax OEM motor would be any more capable than a Turnigy.

4 blade, 16 inch prop is nice info, but what was the pitch on that blade?

I'm a novice, certainly no expert.

I'm sure other, more knowledgable people will chime in shortly.
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Old Mar 07, 2012, 07:30 AM
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http://www.flyairhobbyrc.com/product/two-meter-watt-meter-bantam-e-station-series


Sometimes you need to be careful when doing an estimate. MicroDan motors are small but pack a powerful punch depending on the prop and LiPo. A 58g motor can do 1185w on a Sport APC 6x4 prop. Also Watt meters are really easy to pick up and set up. If your going to build a plane around your motor I suggest you do the extra leg work on the motor and pick one up. Before you start your plane designing.
Old Mar 07, 2012, 08:45 AM
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Sometimes you need to be careful when doing an estimate. MicroDan motors are small but pack a powerful punch depending on the prop and LiPo. A 58g motor can do 1185w on a Sport APC 6x4 prop.
Agree.

But I don't think the quality of the OEM Starmax motor is quite equal to the quality of a Micro Dan.

And definitely get a Watt Meter. You're "flying blind" without one.
Old Mar 07, 2012, 09:12 AM
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Thanks pete/airhobby. Guess I'm just going to have to test it out myself. I was just hoping an owner of one of these motors had done a bench test on it..... and now in retrospect, I probably should have posted in the starmax P-47 thread..... oops. Thanks for the advice though, and I guess a wattmeter is next on my list of purchases. I know the basics, like how to plug in the ESC wires into the motor and what my watts per pound should be. I'm just trying to learn more by actually doing a project. Thanks for teh info, I appreciate it! (But if anyone else wants to chime in, please do!)
Old Mar 07, 2012, 09:26 AM
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It would not surprise me to find that the Starmax is simply a Turnigy with a different label!

At 261g it ought to be capable of ~800W... on 4s that's just under 60A......on 4s you could expect to spin your prop at ~4500rpm. Since you want it for a 3D plane you need a prop with as much diameter as possible to get you maximum thrust... so that probably precludes 5s and 6s. .... but limiting yourself to 4s means high amp draw [due to I^R, amps are what kills you in terms of waste heat].
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Old Mar 07, 2012, 10:13 AM
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Well, looking at just sheer ground-clearance, the biggest thing I could bolt on would likely be a 15 inch 2-blade. I also read somewhere that for 3D, the pitch should be half the length, so a 15X8X2? If the 800 watts figure is correct, that means I can pull about 4.5 pounds worth of plane. Again, this merits bench testing, but speculation: do you think it would be possible to run 5S with the 14 inch? As far as amp draw goes, it's not an issue. The ESC I'm looking at ATM is good for 85-90. My main concern is can the MOTOR handle it?

Now, I looked at the Turnigy motor from HK. The casing looks pretty different, but I only get 1 crappy view. So that's up in the air. Assuming it IS the same though, I've read that some people ARE using it on 6S.
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...postcount=1593
Static thrust being slightly less than 5 pounds, that's approximately what your specs are suggesting. However, despite the extra 7.4 volts, the power appears to be approximately the same, just less amperage. Seems somewhat counter-intuitive..... but electrical engineer I am not.

But regardless, thanks for the info Kiwi!
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