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Oct 24, 2012, 11:07 AM
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Oct 24, 2012, 11:50 AM
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Do motors and/or speed controllers wear out?

I have a 5-year-old Torque 2814/820 on my Laser and a Castle Phoenix 45 speed controller, and I'm turning a 12X6 APC prop. I am using brand new Gens Ace 4s/2500 batteries.

About a month ago, I maidened the plane, and it seemed to be sluggish. Initially, I was using Zippy 4s/2200 batteries, and I found them to be sagging quite a bit. I was getting around 400-450 watts.

After replacing those with the GensAce batts, I am now getting around 550 watts initially, then dropping to around the mid 400s.
Oct 24, 2012, 11:53 AM
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Depending on number of flights, number of prop strikes, max temperature of the magnets, motors can and do wear out.

I don't think ESCs can wear out, other than to not work, but I could be wrong on the ESC.

I once had bad performance from a torque motor on my 48" MXS. I was challanged with a video. I went back and reviewed my video from the flight I thought was weak. Turns out the Xoar wood prop I was using was cracked at the beginning of the flight, leading to inefficiencies. Put on a new prop, and had great performance. Not likely since you're using an APC, but check anyway.
Oct 24, 2012, 12:04 PM
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I measured temperature at 120 degrees F about 30 seconds after shutoff. My prop is unblemished and new with only 6 flights on it. I'm getting around 10500 RPM on a fresh battery and 9000-9500 after about a minute.

I suspect it's the motor. This is the fourth airframe it's been on (2- 47 Yak 54s, an EXP Edge and now the Laser) and probably about 1000-1500 flights. It's been flown into a tree and pulled from a pond.
Oct 24, 2012, 12:15 PM
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Did it ever overheat? How are the bearings? It sounds like it has given you a lot of good service. Regarding your numbers, not sure about those, maybe a little low? Try resetting your ESC programming, too.
Oct 24, 2012, 12:15 PM
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Oct 24, 2012, 12:24 PM
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I replaced the bearings in September. No overheating as far as I know. I haven't completely reset the ESC, but I did modify the settings recently to set manual throttle endpoints.

Should I prop up a little, or will that create more issues? I could try a 12X7 or 13 X6.5 APC? My load is only around 30-35 amps.
Oct 24, 2012, 01:16 PM
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What ESC? I would try resetting it if you program it through the transmitter, just in case some non-optimal setting got set.
Oct 24, 2012, 01:20 PM
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It's a Castle Phoenix 45. I program thorough CastleLink via PC. It's been with the same motor for 5 years on the various airframes.
Oct 24, 2012, 01:24 PM
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I replaced the bearings in September. No overheating as far as I know. I haven't completely reset the ESC, but I did modify the settings recently to set manual throttle endpoints.
I'de say try your old settings. I believe you want fixed end points, but it's been awhile since I had a Castle.
Oct 24, 2012, 02:35 PM
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It's a Castle Phoenix 45. I program thorough CastleLink via PC. It's been with the same motor for 5 years on the various airframes.
I'd at least double check your settings, especially your end point settings. After you set it up with castle link you still need to set it up with your sticks. It's possible that the fixed end points are messed up, if it's anything like the CC phoenix 50 I have.
Oct 24, 2012, 03:02 PM
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If you are spinning at 10,500RPM then there is nothing wrong with the motor and you must be pulling a lot more than 550W.

10,500RPM on a APC 12x6 is about 580 mechanical watts, so at about 80% efficiency that would be roughly 700 electrical watts input, which is about right for that set up
Oct 24, 2012, 04:41 PM
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It's only 10500 for a few seconds before it settles into around 9500. Could My wattmeter be off?
Oct 24, 2012, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by blaiss
Do motors and/or speed controllers wear out?

I have a 5-year-old Torque 2814/820 on my Laser and a Castle Phoenix 45 speed controller, and I'm turning a 12X6 APC prop. I am using brand new Gens Ace 4s/2500 batteries.

About a month ago, I maidened the plane, and it seemed to be sluggish. Initially, I was using Zippy 4s/2200 batteries, and I found them to be sagging quite a bit. I was getting around 400-450 watts.

After replacing those with the GensAce batts, I am now getting around 550 watts initially, then dropping to around the mid 400s.
What are your other readings? (amps, rpms, watts, volts (minimum and maximum), etc.) Also, the power thread has a lot of guys that will really help you sort it out.

You can post in there too:
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...33887&page=180

--Tom K.
Oct 25, 2012, 04:25 PM
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Got my laser wing and fresh servos today! Just in time for the weekend!

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