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Oct 03, 2012, 11:05 AM
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Guardian output voltages


Does the Guardian regulate the input voltages (from 4.5v to 16v max) to a fixed output voltage?
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Oct 03, 2012, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim Green
Does the Guardian regulate the input voltages (from 4.5v to 16v max) to a fixed output voltage?
Guardian is not a voltage regulator.
Oct 03, 2012, 01:36 PM
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Prof100, great feedback on the manual, thanks. We have added that specific symptom of not resetting trims in the "Troubleshooting" section of the manual, and that update will be posted ASAP. We have tried to stress heavily in the manual the need to reset Guardian trims after retrimming your plane, as that will generally provide the best flight experience.
Oct 03, 2012, 06:09 PM
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Probably has a voltage regulator on the board.Most do.Its when you over volt a regulator that it doesn't like and goes "poof".Same symptom of putting a 3s lipo to power a Turnigy 9X transmitter, it burns out the regulator
Oct 03, 2012, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by flightdeck
Probably has a voltage regulator on the board.Most do.Its when you over volt a regulator that it doesn't like and goes "poof".Same symptom of putting a 3s lipo to power a Turnigy 9X transmitter, it burns out the regulator
Yes, it probably has some level of regulation assuming the power source is close to the regulated voltage. It would not be advisable to power it with a 12 volt battery.
Oct 03, 2012, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by billpa
Prof100, great feedback on the manual, thanks. We have added that specific symptom of not resetting trims in the "Troubleshooting" section of the manual, and that update will be posted ASAP. We have tried to stress heavily in the manual the need to reset Guardian trims after retrimming your plane, as that will generally provide the best flight experience.
That's good to add it to troubleshooting but in the section that says you need to reset Guardian trims you should have one sentence explaining why Guardian trims need to be reset.
Oct 03, 2012, 08:28 PM
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Thank you for the reply.
I should have purchased the 2D3D.
I think I will order 2 from Hobbyking USA warehouse. $63.99. best deal I have found.
anybody find a better price?


Bill
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Oct 03, 2012, 09:56 PM
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I would just buy from ET, because the customer support will be 400% better...
Oct 03, 2012, 10:35 PM
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I would just buy from ET, because the customer support will be 400% better...
Hobbyking sells the Eagletree Guardian. I know, I bought two, and they are legitimate. I don't know where he gets free shipping but maybe he will tell us. I actually bought them when they first hit Hobbyking and sold for $50 each.
Oct 04, 2012, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by flightdeck
Probably has a voltage regulator on the board.Most do.Its when you over volt a regulator that it doesn't like and goes "poof".Same symptom of putting a 3s lipo to power a Turnigy 9X transmitter, it burns out the regulator
I have been using a 3S lipo for some time on 3 different TX9 transmitters with no issues.
Oct 04, 2012, 03:15 AM
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Anyone using the Guardian on a Nitro / Gas plane


I have been trying to use the guardian on my niro planes, without success.
The hi-frequency vibration is interfering with the functioning of the guardian.
I have use many different mounting option and tapes, also gyro mounting tapes to reduce the vibration, with no success.

Has anyone successfully mounted the guardian on a nitro / gas airplane?
If yes can you kindly post their experience.
Oct 04, 2012, 05:29 AM
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Bill, can I endorse Prof's comment.

The one thing that is obvious about the Guardian manual is you cannot get a clear understanding of WHY things work the way they do.

Not a complaint just a suggestion.

I still don't know exactly when it is doing rate (inertial) stuff, when it is doing heading (absolute) stuff and when it is doing some combo of both (the accelerometer/gyro fusion circus). That annoys me but it really doesn't matter.

What really matters is understanding what the effect of changes are and WHY. The trim as constant deflection effect is a classic.

The Guardian works just fine but it would be really good if you could get someone not as close to the product as the developers and beta testers to do a sanity check on the instructions.

There's a guy in Michigan who would be really good if you could talk him into it.

John
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Originally Posted by Prof100
That's good to add it to troubleshooting but in the section that says you need to reset Guardian trims you should have one sentence explaining why Guardian trims need to be reset.
Oct 04, 2012, 06:05 AM
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Bill, can I endorse Prof's comment.

The one thing that is obvious about the Guardian manual is you cannot get a clear understanding of WHY things work the way they do.

Not a complaint just a suggestion.

I still don't know exactly when it is doing rate (inertial) stuff, when it is doing heading (absolute) stuff and when it is doing some combo of both (the accelerometer/gyro fusion circus). That annoys me but it really doesn't matter.

What really matters is understanding what the effect of changes are and WHY. The trim as constant deflection effect is a classic.

The Guardian works just fine but it would be really good if you could get someone not as close to the product as the developers and beta testers to do a sanity check on the instructions.

There's a guy in Michigan who would be really good if you could talk him into it.

John
John,

Not so fast, you could help too. I just look at intructions to include the what, why and how. This is especially important to new technolgies that require a grasp of how the technology works. I was the first at my club to have a Guardian and members were amazed while others thought of it as cheating. So far five have bought a Guardian. Two fly with them regularly. One has it as a shiney object on his workbench (afreaid to use it), and the other went out and upgraded to a DX8 so he could use the master gain control, but needed help setting it up. Another tried it and didn't like it and refused to tweak it any more and pulled it out.

I find users ask questions as to what it does (i.e., its functions), why you have to do what you do to set it up, and how to set it up. Some over engineer the level flight setup and use a digital level but fail to realize the angle of attack may not be level on the fuselage.

Bill
Last edited by Prof100; Oct 04, 2012 at 07:01 AM.
Oct 04, 2012, 06:17 AM
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I suggest you post your complete setup options here so others can review. Sounds to me like your mounting isn't the cause. Could be a range of other things e.g. gain settings etc. Do static checks work on the ground when you manipulate the plane in 2D mode for example?
Oct 04, 2012, 07:32 AM
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I have the gains on the guardian turned up to 100% on all POTs, and the remote gain is set to 50%. On the ground will the engine turned off, everything works fine.
Once the engine is turned on, and powered up the guardian starts to behave erratically, the aileron move with out any movement of the plane.
I assumed this will not happen in the air, and tried it out at a good recoverable altitude, and the plane starts to roll.
So wanted some pointers from people who have mounted the guardian on a Nitro or Gas Plane.


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