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Dec 07, 2011, 03:10 AM
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Here we go again?


*sigh*

Another vortex ride down the drain? https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show....php?t=1552106

There is still time to back away from the brink, Happy.

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Dec 07, 2011, 08:02 AM
turn, turn, turn.
Almost at the event horizon I see.
Dec 07, 2011, 10:09 AM
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I keep thinking that eventually, people would learn to post within the ruleset. It seems someone always proves me wrong.



I side with the Jims on this one. If someone has accumulated 60-70 points, they should KNOW where that line is. It is as obvious that some people simply feel that the rules shouldn't apply to them for some reason; typically based upon how they feel they have added through content quality, or content quantity.
Dec 07, 2011, 10:14 AM
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Last edited by HappyKillmore; Dec 07, 2011 at 10:30 AM.
Dec 07, 2011, 10:19 AM
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Why feed the troll?
Dec 07, 2011, 11:05 AM
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You can't say that stamp... besides being ambiguous (it is unclear who exactly, you are talking about), it is against the rules.
Dec 07, 2011, 11:28 AM
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That would make stamps comment a group attack? The group being trolls? Or anyone who has posted in this thread? Or is it something else for simply using the word troll? And then do I get two points for using the word troll...or do I have to quote him or not quote him to get the points? Ack! Now I've said it three times!


Sheesh...after 6 years you'd thing I'd have these rules down pat...
Old Dec 07, 2011, 11:38 AM
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A moderator felt this post violated the following rule: Trolling (Widespread).
Dec 07, 2011, 11:52 AM
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You cannot. Nor will you be told you have lost the ability to edit. Nor will you be told what the requirements are to lose said ability. But the rules are clear...
Dec 07, 2011, 12:28 PM
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Have you tried gifts? That always works. I'm thinking a nice 10 pound box of home made double chocolate chip cookies.... the soft, kind.... will go a long way towards helping remove any accumulated points and demerits.

I'll give you my PO Box number...
Dec 07, 2011, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyKillmore
That would make stamps comment a group attack? The group being trolls? Or anyone who has posted in this thread? Or is it something else for simply using the word troll? And then do I get two points for using the word troll...or do I have to quote him or not quote him to get the points? Ack! Now I've said it three times!


Sheesh...after 6 years you'd thing I'd have these rules down pat...

IMHO....

Stamp's post seems to be directed at a member of rcgroups (i.e. you), which would mean it breaks the rules.

To simply use the word ''troll'' would not necessarily break the rules. For example, the statement ''there are lots of trolls on the internet'' would not break the rules, because it is not directed at any member of rcgroups. BUT, as soon as you use the word ''troll'' to describe a user or group of users on rcgroups, that is when it breaks the rules.

With regard to quoting posts, if the post you quote breaks the profanity rule, then your post also breaks the profanity rule because the profanity appears in your post. If you quote a post which contains a personal attack, then the user who's post you quoted is the user who is breaking the rules, not you. Unless of course you are agreeing with the attack, then the fact that you are agreeing with it, would mean that your post also breaks the rules.

I hope that helps answer your questions.

Dusty
Dec 07, 2011, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyKillmore
You cannot. Nor will you be told you have lost the ability to edit. Nor will you be told what the requirements are to lose said ability. But the rules are clear...
Yes, the rules ARE clear. If you were to follow them, there isn't any need to know how many points present the loss of edit ability.


Or, simply do not accept that the rules apply to self, and accept consequences of that choice.
Dec 07, 2011, 01:16 PM
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The only rule to my knowledge that is not completely subjective and open to any interpretation a mod may have is the rule about swearing. It's not even possible to discuss what trolling is....
Dec 07, 2011, 01:27 PM
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The only rule to my knowledge that is not completely subjective and open to any interpretation a mod may have is the rule about swearing. It's not even possible to discuss what trolling is....
Yes, the rules are indeed subjective because they rely on the interpretation of the written word.

However, if the owner of the site knows what he wants, and finds someone that best interprets the rules as he sees them, and applies them to posts that other members call attention to, via the report button, then we have a workable system.

The biggest problem I have seen is that people, not all thinking alike, will disagree with the owner's vision and rule interpretation, and consequently blame it on the person who is moderating the reported posts.

Ultimately we either have to abide by the rules, or continue to rail against them.

Yes, the rules are indeed subjective; but so are the reactions of people to the rules. One can not say honestly that their reaction to subjective rules are objective, no?
Dec 07, 2011, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyKillmore
The only rule to my knowledge that is not completely subjective and open to any interpretation a mod may have is the rule about swearing. It's not even possible to discuss what trolling is....
For example, from the rules:

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Trolling (Group attack): The post contains an attack against the intelligence, character, or appearance of a group of users.
It seems quite clear to me. As long as a post does not mention any aspect of the intelligence, character, or appearance of a group of users, then it cannot possibly be a group attack (trolling).

Why do you feel this is impossible to discuss? Do you feel that this post breaks the rules, for having discussed trolling?

Dusty


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