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Old Jun 25, 2004, 01:01 PM
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Hey Herb, are you planning on going to the EDF meet in Visalia? I guess that's a pretty long haul from Socal. I'd love to see some of your birds fly my maybe I'll have to wait till the next Jet Day At The Bay event!
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Old Jun 29, 2004, 07:06 PM
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You must be talking about the Irate lipo? I'm using a single 5s2p Irate in the F-16...
Yes that should work too. For LiPos you might need good cooling on the motors, as well as good cooling on the speed controllers (each Hacker Master 70 A controller here handling about 700+ watts) ...

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You must be talking about the Irate lipo? I'm using a single 5s2p Irate in the F-16
BTW thanks for all the info,sorry again you can't make it out to the meet!
Fly, are you talking about the Jepe F16? And if so which motor are you running in your F16?
Herb, I have the 2.5 turn motor in my Spiderfan in my F16 can I run a 6S2P Irate 5200 pack or do I need to use a 5S2P?
Thank You guys.
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Old Jun 29, 2004, 07:32 PM
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Joe,
Jepe himself has flown his F-16 with the irates 5s2p 2600 with unlimited vertical, I will maiden mine next week!! three packs lay on top of the intake in the front and one pack on each side exactly next the fan unit! I will try to post some pictures later.
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Thanks Ed, which motor are you running the 3 turn or the
2.5 turn? I am using the 2.5 turn motor so I just wanted to check. But I guess even if I had the hotter motor I could use the lesser voltage?
Pictures would be great they would be a big help I am going to order my packs next week.
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Old Jun 29, 2004, 07:47 PM
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Same motor as yours! Not to worry I talked with Jepe and he was very excited about the performance of this battery setup. Also its the best set-up for CG balancing!
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Too cool Ed, I know that Bob AKA" Agustapower was telling me about Jepe running the 2600 cells also sounds like our F16's will scream.
It looks like I found a grassy park to test fly my Thunderbird at
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Old Jun 29, 2004, 09:09 PM
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Here you go!! Perhaps we can have a F-16maiden flight patry here in Visalia
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Hey Ed flyboss you'r still working on those Rafale pictures?

Let me know if you need any help on the pixels there
Old Jul 17, 2004, 03:05 PM
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Hi Ed, thanks for the pictures I think I will go with the new
Kokam 15C 2000 cells but I am not sure I like the Irates because they have more capacity(2600's) so it depends on which perform better? I will make my decision soon though as my F16 is nearing completion.
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Old Aug 11, 2004, 11:19 PM
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My kit arrived today

Thanks Bob...........
Old Aug 11, 2004, 11:25 PM
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Great news! Everything okay?
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My kit arrived today

Thanks Bob...........
hi gregg, did you mean your rafale 120mm?
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hi gregg, did you mean your rafale 120mm?
Yes Andrew. I'll be waiting for the conversion kit before building mine.
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Yes Andrew. I'll be waiting for the conversion kit before building mine.
what power combo are you going with?
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what power combo are you going with?
http://www.aero-naut.de/aeronaut/en/...fale120eng.htm
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Old Sep 29, 2004, 11:59 AM
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Has anybody flown this thing with the new 120mm fan allready ??

Looking at the video on the aeronaut website this thing is cooking with this new fan

Cheers,

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Old Sep 29, 2004, 12:21 PM
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I couldnt find the video on the website, how do you get it?
Old Sep 29, 2004, 12:24 PM
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Ok i found it

Go to the link above, then click home, its then in the right hand side of the screen under downloads.

It sounds like a single fan, but why are they bungee launching for the demo on the website when its meant to have retracts?
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Old Sep 29, 2004, 01:27 PM
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Yep,

Strange indeed, makes one wonder...............

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Old Sep 29, 2004, 01:44 PM
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That is an old vidoe, it is a twin...
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Thats interesting chris, the website states the following.





Information about Video Dassault-Breguet Rafale C

The Dassault Breguet Rafale C model was set up as
described below:

Motor:
Kontronik Tango 45-08
with Impeller Turbofan 4000

Speed control:
Kontronik Beat 50A

Battery:
28 cells GP3000
alternative: 81 Lipos Kokam 340mAh 9s9p

Current:
ca. 50A

Flight time:
ca. 4 min



If its an old video, the website is certainly misleading, and probably contravenes the trade descriptions act.

i think ill email them and see what their reply is.





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Old Oct 01, 2004, 04:23 PM
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Looks just like the video I downloaded from the German forum in Nov,03.
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This is the reply i got from aeronaut



"Dear Frank,

Thank you for your interest in our products. The video on our homepage
is a Rafale set up as described with a single Turbo-Fan 4000.

Best regards

aero-naut Modellbau GmbH & Co. KG
Thorsten Rechthaler"


Could it be the video in nov 03, was off a prototype with this fan??
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This is the reply i got from aeronaut



"Dear Frank,

Thank you for your interest in our products. The video on our homepage
is a Rafale set up as described with a single Turbo-Fan 4000.

Best regards

aero-naut Modellbau GmbH & Co. KG
Thorsten Rechthaler"


Could it be the video in nov 03, was off a prototype with this fan??
Yup, I spoke with Herb Sat. He mentioned that was the prototype flown by the designer.
I was incorrect. It looked just like another Rafale vid at what looked like the same field.
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Birdseed:

I"m was also told that on the German board performance for the single was compared very favorably with the twin.

Simplicity would favor the single version to me...............
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Is that where Herb is hiding these days! in the German groups? lol I really need to get a hold of one of those fans to play with.
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Is that where Herb is hiding these days! in the German groups? lol I really need to get a hold of one of those fans to play with.
My Rafale is waiting too......
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Mine is waiting too...........

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Old Oct 08, 2004, 04:54 AM
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Wow, it looks like I need to order mine now that it can have retracts I will just have to tell its little brother
(EJF Version) That he needs to wait as this awesome plane needs to be in my hangar
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Old Nov 02, 2004, 06:10 PM
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Have you seen this one?
Pretty impressive. I want one.
http://www.kontronik.com/Rafale3..wmv
Old Nov 02, 2004, 06:24 PM
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Nice! Very good video quality.
I'm waiting for the 120mm conversion.
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Wow nice plane but I want those video details! perfect landing too!

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Nice! Very good video quality.
I'm waiting for the 120mm conversion.
Is the Turbofan 4000 the single 120mm Fan?

Mal
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I gather that is what this mirage is. Just a single 120mm Fan?

Mal
Yes, it's a single.
Mirage?
Old Nov 02, 2004, 10:48 PM
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Has anybody flown this thing with the new 120mm fan allready ??

Looking at the video on the aeronaut website this thing is cooking with this new fan

Cheers,

Appie
I could not find the video on the site. Where abouts do i look?

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I could not find the video on the site. Where abouts do i look?

Mal
The link Mikael posted is a direct link to the video.
http://www.kontronik.com/Rafale3..wmv
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ok Great I have that on my desktop.

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It's Joerg Rehm's single fan prototype, flown last month at Aspach.

http://www.rc-network.de/cgi-bin/ubb...=5&t=000414&p=

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With this New Single Fan Version how much cutting of the Formers has to be done? Are these laser cut now or do you just get a sheet of wood and have to trace and cut them out yourself?

Mal

I gather that No one is answering because no one has one yet?
What about the Twin version? Did they just give you a sheet and you had to do the rest?

Mal
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http://www.kontronik.com/Rafale3..wmv

amazing. my new favorite video... and plane.
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With this New Single Fan Version how much cutting of the Formers has to be done? Are these laser cut now or do you just get a sheet of wood and have to trace and cut them out yourself? ... Mal
In the twin fan version you have to cut your formers out of the supplied hard-ply (see many pictures in this thread), while for the single fan version the formers arrive already laser cut (see many pictures, also in this thread).

The single fan version comes with a re-designed brand new fuselage made out of kevlar, which is stronger, lighter, a lot more expensive and with significantly different dimensions (to fit the new larger fan and new, larger formers).

You can shoehorn the new fan and formers into the old twin fuselage, but it needs to be cut up all along the bottom, butchered and re-glued back together with some fg fuse extension parts (otherwise the 120-mm fan and formers obviosly won't fit, see my picture in post 750 on page 50).

Hopefully by next week I should be able to do some testing on my Rafale with the new Polyquest 3100 LiPos - and finally shed some weight!!
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Herb

Do you know if these are actually being Sold or are they still just in Production
Stage? Some say that iit can now be bought while others say "Not just yet"


Also I did see the photos and this is what confused me. I did not now if what i saw was someones finished work of cutting out formers or if they came that way(Thats why i asked) I do appreciate you answering though. Thanks!

Mal
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Old Nov 29, 2004, 04:27 PM
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As of two weeks ago the conversion was not ready. I e mail then every other month and they respond within 24 hours.
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The pictures I have posted above are of Joerg Rehm's prototype.

The Aeronaut production version (new redesigned kevlar fuse, new ply formers, new intakes, new 120mm fan etc) should be out "soon".
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is the single 120 mm version out yet?
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Old Dec 26, 2004, 04:50 PM
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Ditto, what Gregg said
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Old Dec 26, 2004, 06:56 PM
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LOL! As soon as they open on Monday i will let you know......Seriously.

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They are closed until Jan 10th. BUT When i was at the site right under where it says LATEST NEWS
New products ONLINE! there is the Rafale C and the 90MM Fan

I think i will try and have some patiance and see what Greg lets us know in the next while
Phoning over there is a little expensive

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is this the real size of your rafale?
http://www.modellflugportal.de/frame_jet.htm


very big, too big for me

Anyone know of some Video of this one?

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I did a few more measurements on mine (twin Mega ACn 22/20/3 in WeMoTec MidiFan):

Polyquest 3100N (new high current, 10-12C continuous series) 6S2P

-> 49A x 2 (15.9C) , 920 Watts x 2 = 1840 Watts

Kokam 3200HD 6S1P

-> 91 A (28C), 818 Watts x 2 = 1636 Watts

In both cases timing mode 3 (18 degrees) on HM 70 O (which is at the voltage limit).

Both setups perform very well, but the Kokam pack is 10oz lighter.

It has been raining like crazy here, so I did not have anything better to do ...
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Kokam 3200HD pack & new TP $49 microprocessor controlled charger ...



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Old Jan 11, 2005, 06:23 PM
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Herb, can you tell me how many cells the TP charger can charge and whats the highest amp rating it can charge at?
And where did you get the charger.
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Old Jan 11, 2005, 06:47 PM
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4 cells, 2.5A, IMS show, $49

It did as good a job as my Schulze isl on this particular pack. The charger is not constant rate, which is good.

You don't need anything more ... I have standardized all my LiPo packs
to 3S or multiple thereof (3S2P, 6S1P, 6S2P etc.). The 3S's are all checked and charged individually. If the need arises, the Schulze can always charge the 6S2P in one shot.

In any case safety considerations suggest not to charge anything more than 3-4S
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Thats great but it is the 12th are these guys every going to sell the new rafale and 120mm fan?
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It is Very confusing is it not? When you go to the aeronaut site and look on the far left you see"New Items Online Now" it lists the Rafale and the Turbo Fan 4000. Yet i see no place on site to order it.

Mal
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yes it is very odd but it would be nice if they would give a true release date. Herb are you pulling 91 amps out of the Kokum in a 1p config or is that the combined amp total for two 6s1p set ups?
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Combined power from the two MidiFans on a single 6S1P battery .

Power is only needed for a few seconds though on takeoff and maybe some extreme manouvers (thrust/weight = ca. 1.0) ...

I measured at half throttle a very conservative total of around 1000 Watts. The Jeti/Hacker controllers are each rated at 70A continuous, so partial throttle is no problem even for extended periods of time. With the Kokams the Rafale still only weighs 6.6 pds (3.0 kg).

I won't fly the Rafale any more though - until I finish the conversion to Springair 600's.
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Herb,
Will you have the gear in by MWE? I assume you will stay with your current fan setup.

I requested a price quote for the new Rafale/fan combo 1358/01 from HL, they came back with a price of $725 airframe only.
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Does anyone have any info when this kit is available? They have been talking about it for almost a year.
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The Rafale C for twin fans is already available.

The Rafale C with the new bigger single fan .... I'll call AeroNaut after the weekend & post reply.
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That would be great Norman look forward to the news good or bad.

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Herb, Will you have the gear in by MWE? I assume you will stay with your current fan setup...
Most likely not ... It's quite a bit of work and I don't have much free time these days.

The Springair installation requires quite a bit of very precise work on the twin, to anchor the gear to the rear fuse sides. Since I don't have much of a machine shop in my house, I'll have to first make accurate templates, and then make the formers from laminated (thinner) ply.

Re the MWE, as you can see from the posted program there is no scheduled edf jet slot. That most likely means flying in conjuction with god knows what 3d flying coathangers . In addition to the usual bungee launch placement problems.
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So - is there any kind of a rafale for a single minifan? I am in the process of testing an idea but I'm not sure if I can get it to work - if so I'll have one, if not I'll be looking. I want something that looks pretty close.

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Re the MWE, as you can see from the posted program there is no scheduled edf jet slot. That most likely means flying in conjuction with god knows what 3d flying coathangers . In addition to the usual bungee launch placement problems.
How about I bring a potato gun so we can pop those hovering fools out of the air like sitting ducks?
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I was myself tempted by the RTF Rafale....but I'm not patient( but I love to build ) and I started the Rafale C from Edi Stahlie plans ( Feb/march 2004 Jet international) Foam wings and ply and balsa (lots) Working canards,Spingair 102 retracts and Wemotec 730 E fan . The fan is ready with a Plettenberg 370/20/2s and Kontronik ESC (55/10/30) I will use 7s2p pack or 24 GP 3300 cells . I finish the fuselage and wings and the plane will normally be ready for spring . I will post few pictures soon.
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Herb,
Will you have the gear in by MWE? I assume you will stay with your current fan setup.

I requested a price quote for the new Rafale/fan combo 1358/01 from HL, they came back with a price of $725 airframe only.
Appr. $480 in USD from Hoellein after cpnversion and CC fees + shipping which at a guess might be 50 - 100 depending on how fast you want it.
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the turbo fan was listed for 215 euro x 1.34=usd
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Just off the tel from AeroNaut ...
New single fan version due to be available end of February after Nurnberg Toyfair.

As far as price goes for something thats not "out" yet ...Our own Green Hobby & Model price was 449 Rafale C kevlar version , 249 Turbofan 4000
This included VAT tax so non EU customers can deduct 15% from these figures .....

BTW the dollar is rising again so euro purchases for stateside customers should begin to look a lot better soon.
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Just off the tel from AeroNaut ...
New single fan version due to be available end of February after Nurnberg Toyfair.

As far as price goes for something thats not "out" yet ...Our own Green Hobby & Model price was 449 Rafale C kevlar version , 249 Turbofan 4000
This included VAT tax so non EU customers can deduct 15% from these figures .....

BTW the dollar is rising again so euro purchases for stateside customers should begin to look a lot better soon.
Norman:
Did you get a price for the conversion kit too?
Conversion set Order No. 1347/10
which includes the fan/formers/120mm ducting
they list it for 320 euros.

gregg
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Unfortunately DUE OUT EOM Feb. Probably means EOM March.
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Old Jan 17, 2005, 02:44 PM
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Did you get a price for the conversion kit too?
Conversion set Order No. 1347/10
which includes the fan/formers/120mm ducting
they list it for 320 euros. gregg
Sorry Gregg ... didn't ask ... however that is the price I have for it from AeroNaut about 8 months ago, so I don't suppose it changed, they held their other prices over this time with no increases.

I am interested in the conversion kit too. Mainly because the new fuselage is not the same as the epoxy glass old one but in kevlar. The new one is a completely different shape underneath to accommodate the single, bigger duct.

Here are some explanatory pics from RC Network.de ...
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Pic 1:
http://www.rc-network.de/upload/1099832888.jpg

Pic 2:
http://www.rc-network.de/upload/1101929844.jpg

Jorg Rehm is the designer of the model ...
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Old Jan 17, 2005, 03:47 PM
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Yes those are the same pictures posted earlier in this thread, about six months ago , plus a few more ... Not much has changed since then in the design of the single or double fan design.

The new fuse (not the conversion kit) is manufactured in kevlar, at least in part.

Mine with the new Kokam Lipos is down to 6.4 pds rtf without retract installation,

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Old Jan 17, 2005, 03:58 PM
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3 Kgs ... 1.000 watts ... 336 watts per Kg
(assuming 15C continuous)
Maybe LiPo has arrived for EDF ..I have held off my first LiPo until now, but
those numbers sound great power-wise .

Does the 3Kgs weight include the retracts, Herb?
edited ...err disregard that question ... I just reread your last post
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Old Jan 17, 2005, 05:13 PM
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oooh Man i am starting to drool all over agian

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Old Jan 17, 2005, 05:24 PM
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Yep Mal, its a sweet jet I am thinking about getting the single version so I can install retracts. I just dont know which motor and lipos? Would a Kontroniks Tango work with a lipo pack?

But then again I still have my EJF Rafale setup for a single Midi and Spring airs
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Old Jan 17, 2005, 06:48 PM
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OOOHH YEAH a Tango will work just fine. Thats what the proto used....although it was a whole bunch of the 340`s Now that there are bigger 20C Lipo`s around this should not be a problem.

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Old Jan 17, 2005, 07:48 PM
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Yep Mal, its a sweet jet I am thinking about getting the single version so I can install retracts. I just dont know which motor and lipos? Would a Kontroniks Tango work with a lipo pack?

But then again I still have my EJF Rafale setup for a single Midi and Spring airs
Joe

How's that JePe Viper coming Joe???????
Old Jan 17, 2005, 08:37 PM
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How's that JePe Viper coming Joe???????

Bob, the F16 is not even close to being done. I have been working in my shop and as soon as I get it organized this week, I will finish the Viper. I am still looking for someplace to fly it with grass so I dont scrape up the bottom of my plane.
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... Viper. I am still looking for someplace to fly it with grass so I dont scrape up the bottom of my plane. Joe
Joe we got plenty of grass, even water if you need that extra cooling and of course plenty of sand as well for that quick LiPo fire extinguishing ...

Just get on with it, install that 1.5 wind Jepe lawnmower fan and come visit us for that sweet flawless bungee launch into the deep blue yonder ....
Old Jan 17, 2005, 11:32 PM
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Herb, I am trying its just that I need to organize my shop and I just got out of the hospital so its going to be a while before I can clean out my shop and build.
Thanks For the invite as soon as I can I will take you up on it.
Joe
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Old Mar 18, 2005, 07:14 AM
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Rafale with 22/20/3 setup


Hello ,
I need some help to choose my setup for my rafale aeronaut.
I have two Mega motors 22/20/30 and i want to use a single battery pack composed of 20 x GP3300 (or maybe 20xGP3700) for both motors. I ask myself if it is possible (27 cell max are allowed for 22/20/30). what power could i get for each motor (how much for power , rpm, and N).
Then i have a last question: For this setup which controller to choose.
Is it possible to use a single ESC for both motors ?

Thank's a lot for your help

Sofiane (probably the only french guy who has an aeronaut rafale !)
ps: sorry for my english
Old Mar 18, 2005, 01:00 PM
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There's no 20/30 Motor, either a 20/x or a 30/x. For data on the 20/x motors (if that's what you have) please read the info I posted in this thread, it's all in there in a lot of excruciating detail ...

Btw this thread is getting too long, part II is here:

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...ghlight=Rafale
Old Mar 18, 2005, 01:24 PM
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22/20/3 !!!


Oops sorry
Of course it's a mistake. I have two 22/20/3 Mega Motor !!!

Herb , your Rafale is so beautiful
i am going to read your lin,k
Thank's, maybe i would ask other questions
Old Mar 18, 2005, 01:44 PM
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I haven't found the information in forum.
tell me please what do you think about my setup proposal (Single Pack of 20 x GP3300 for both 22/20/3 motors)
Thank's
Old Mar 21, 2005, 12:17 AM
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Hello Sofiane,

I'll answer your motor questions in the Aeronaut Rafale part II thread:

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...ghlight=Rafale

Chris can you close this thread ? Thanks hwh


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