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Oct 23, 2011, 02:44 PM
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Nouveau


Well its time for a new project, the last two have been tugs, was drawn to this commuter launch by a club member (Castaways, of the Villages Fl).
The original plan was about 35" lg, but we enlarged them to 43" x 10" beam,
The boat has some unusual hull lines, with a canoe stern, cant wait to do that, May do the cabin in cherry, I have to speak tp "Ed Lokken" about using iron on "Band-It veneer. Maybe next week will start cutting ply.
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Oct 23, 2011, 04:01 PM
Mmm, tugs...
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That's a handsome boat...
Oct 25, 2011, 01:19 PM
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Nice boat. Interested in how you plank it.
Oct 29, 2011, 07:15 PM
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Nouveau


Worked all day cutting out ribs(3/16) and the keel (1/4), (11:00am to 7:00pm) lots of sanding and cutting, time for cold one, have to wait for my planking order, so maybe middle of next week for more progress.
Oct 30, 2011, 11:06 PM
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Nouveau


I too have the plans for that boat. I have studied the plans and article . I hope you keep posting your progress so I can see how it turns out.

Don
Oct 31, 2011, 07:21 AM
WooHoo!
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That's a handsome boat...
Sure is, found this here...
Nov 03, 2011, 09:32 AM
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Noveau


Did a little dry fitting this morn, very interesting shape to the hull of this boat, but I think the rear filler piece is not there yet, needs a little more material, still waiting for my planking to arrive, so its of to the lake to take the "Nancy M" for a spin.
Nov 03, 2011, 07:18 PM
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This will be a beautiful boat!
Nov 04, 2011, 08:38 PM
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Nov 17, 2011, 02:22 PM
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Nouveau


Haven't had time to really do much work, but today, got all the ribs clamped up and ready for planking (may use 2" balsa), it took alot of adjusting, sanding, readjusting......don't know if the plan is a little off or the enlarging or just my tracing may have been off, but we are ready to go.
Found a launch out of Rhode Island, Watch hill, "Aphroite", it has a simular stern, ( see pics, no that is not me building the model ) I dont think Mr Massey the designer of the "Nouveau" describe the stern correctly as a "canoe stern", I believe a "torpedo stern " is more correct, (correct me if Im wrong)
Nov 19, 2011, 06:31 PM
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Nouveau


Started planking...installed the "Garboards", I can see a lot of "wet" balsa, using 1/2 wide planking, maybe when I get to the "Sheer" may use somthing wider, will see, but have to go slow with this hull.
Nov 19, 2011, 09:16 PM
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Randy, a great subject. Can't wait to see more progress.

Ed
Nov 19, 2011, 10:03 PM
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I can see a lot of "wet" balsa, using 1/2 wide planking...
Think "heat"... I use a clean soldering iron to bend balsa. You can work it almost like sheet metal. no waiting for the soak/dry cycle. heat and fit. done!
Nov 19, 2011, 10:37 PM
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Think "heat"... I use a clean soldering iron to bend balsa. You can work it almost like sheet metal. no waiting for the soak/dry cycle. heat and fit. done!
Can you explain this?
Nov 19, 2011, 10:51 PM
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Can you explain this?
Sure. what I do is clamp my soldering iron to my workbench so that the "wand" (for lack of a better term) hangs out over the edge of the bench. Turn on the power and wait for it to come up to temp. When it's ready, I take my strip of balsa and make a few passes over the wand (direct contact with the shank) until the wood is heated, bending and twisting as needed (much like working sheet metal with an english wheel) to fit the hull forms I have set up on the strong back. the wood, when heated will hold the shape that I want, with no stress once cooled. "Steaming" wood has a similar effect. the idea is to heat the cells of the wood which actually become somewhat "elastic" allowing it to bend and take a set when cooled. Yes, the surface of the wood can scortch using this method but that is easily taken care of with sand paper.

Of course, caution should be used with this method.

I think Micro Mark may sell purpose made tools for this.
Nov 19, 2011, 11:02 PM
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Does this work with bass? Thanks for the explanation!
Nov 19, 2011, 11:07 PM
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You're welcome! I believe it would work with bass. Again, the idea is to heat the cells in the wood to the point that they stretch. when cooled, they stay that way. give it a try. Like I said, though please use caution. it is easy to burn fingers and wood this way.
Nov 20, 2011, 07:06 AM
Boaters are nice people.
Bending wood into shape with heat works like a charm!

I've used it on my hard chined M.A.S. to get the stringers into position on the formers without breaking them.
Much easier than sanding them into shape

For the (ply)sheets that make the outer skin, I used an electric paintstripper to heat the ply, softening both the wood cells and the glue, so I could make the compound curves without a lot of tension on the hull.

When heating sheet material, do wear gloves, it tends to be hot...

Regards, Jan.
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Nov 20, 2011, 08:45 PM
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Think "heat"... I use a clean soldering iron to bend balsa. You can work it almost like sheet metal. no waiting for the soak/dry cycle. heat and fit. done!
Have you ever tried this using a "Monokote iron"?

Just wondering if it would get hot enough.
Nov 20, 2011, 09:08 PM
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I do have a monokote iron, but have not tried that for bending wood. I usually set my soldering iron to 40W when doing this. one of the nice things about using the shank of a soldering iron is it seems to be a good radius to work with when bending strip. that benefit might be lost on the monokote iron.
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Nov 21, 2011, 01:44 AM
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Yeesh. And I've been brushing ammonia solution and clamping all this time!
Nov 22, 2011, 07:35 PM
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Nouveau


Thanks for the "heat trick", but I think I'll just use the water route, just have to take my time. This hull has very few straight areas, maybe not such a great boat to build?
Nov 22, 2011, 08:43 PM
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The water on balsa works fine for project. I was achieving bends with the balsa in the bow section just as you have Some sanding and small bit of filler is all that is required to get the bow looking as it should.
Nov 22, 2011, 08:57 PM
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Randy, curves look better than straight lines. It will look great when done.

Ed
Nov 23, 2011, 11:02 AM
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Thanks for the "heat trick"...
You're welcome! Your hull is looking great!
Nov 24, 2011, 10:10 AM
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Nouveau


Comming along, starting to take shape, but still a slow project.
Nov 30, 2011, 12:37 PM
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Nouveau


Well almost finished with the hull, ( lots of filler and sanding reqd ) 2 more planks on each side, its (hull) starting to take shape, somewhat pleased, maybe a balsa block in the stern, sand away anything that doesnt look like a "Canoe", could have may it a little easer to build, I dont know, but the hull has some sweet lines, almost ready to cut and install the deck.
Nov 30, 2011, 04:14 PM
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She looks good. My planking required filler and sanding. I was very uncertain on planking but once into it and hull taking shaping I was pleased. Currently glassing the hull on mine. A new procedure for me as well. Will you fiberglass your hull?
Nov 30, 2011, 04:33 PM
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Lookin Good !


Lookin Good !
Cookin right along ....
Transom has been a challlenge ?
Nov 30, 2011, 07:01 PM
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Randy, very good work. It will be a handsome boat.

Ed
Nov 30, 2011, 09:12 PM
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...the hull has some sweet lines...
Indeed, shapely! nice job!
Dec 01, 2011, 08:58 AM
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Nouveau


Thanks to all for the kind words.
Dec 14, 2011, 09:22 AM
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Nouveau


The hull is finished, less filler & sanding, cabin sides cut out, deck has to be trimmed, but would like to build cabin first to check deck cut out before gluing the deck, problem; "Band-it" veneer is on back order, wont be here for 2 weeks, so......... Happy holidays to all.
Dec 27, 2011, 05:34 PM
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Noveau


Well, got the inside sealed, not much done, my " Band-it" veneer has arrived, so I can practice with it before apply it to the cabin sides, Still waiting for some hardware from Dumas to come, but will try to get the hull filled and sanded this week.
Jan 02, 2012, 01:33 PM
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Nouveau


Well started the roof of both cabins, would like to get them fit, before starting the "veneer", but have to do the winshield frames also, two support pieces front and rear, so now we have alot of pieces to do......still plenty of sanding to the roofs, (1/2 thick) this is a slow project, sorry I cant work faster.
Jan 03, 2012, 04:48 PM
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Nouveau


Sanded the foward cabin roof, 2 hours, cant believe it, ( and some filler reqd) still have the aft cabin roof to do and the windshield frames before I can check fit the assy , and then I can veneer the cabin sides, and check for the deck cutout.
Jan 05, 2012, 03:41 PM
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Nouveau


Still fitting, sanding, windshield frames have to tucked and laid back under the front of the rear cabin roof ( sanding required), all this has to checked and fitted before the venner is applied, and I have to make the frames and windows for windshield before I can install the windshield frame, no room to get under the roof after assy (could make the roof lift off)...........Im getting real tired of this boat.
Jan 05, 2012, 03:51 PM
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Randy, excellent work. It's going to be a beautiful boat. If you need help with the veneer let me know, I can give you some hints.

Ed
Jan 10, 2012, 04:09 PM
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Wow! She's coming along VERY nicely!!

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Feb 12, 2012, 02:46 AM
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Nouveau


I hope you are going to continue working on the boat.

Don
Feb 12, 2012, 10:00 AM
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nouveau


Don: I have not been working on the boat at all, just cant seem to get motivated, did the same thing on the Nancy M, took off months before I got back to it.
Feb 12, 2012, 12:05 PM
Boaters are nice people.
When I'm not motivated to work on a model, I just leave it on the shelf, as the result of muddling through is something you won't like in the future...

My M.A.S. build has been going on (and off) for more than a decade now, I'm in no rush.

Regards, Jan.
Feb 13, 2012, 01:24 AM
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Nouveau


I get in the same moods with boats I am building. Right now I am working on a submarine but have been procrasting. I saw your build and that me going back to it. Don't put it off too long or it will never get done. Think of what it will look like when it is finished and in the water.
Feb 13, 2012, 12:08 PM
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Hi Randy,

Your boat is looking excellent man!

Here is a boat for you to check out. It was named “Saga” and was owned by the brother in law of Aphrodite’s original owner. They used to race the two commuters from Long Island to Wall Street each day to see who would arrive first. The Saga had a canoe style stern and very similar lines to the boat you are building.

The yacht also had it's name on both sides of the stern because of the way it was shaped.

Here are those photos for reference.

-Rich.
Last edited by RICH404; Feb 13, 2012 at 12:26 PM.
Feb 13, 2012, 12:39 PM
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Very nice work Randy. That's a great looking hull shape and interesting too. I'd say you were doing very well with it. Will you paint the hull or fiberglass it? Pete
Feb 13, 2012, 01:00 PM
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Don: I have not been working on the boat at all, just cant seem to get motivated, did the same thing on the Nancy M, took off months before I got back to it.
I work on boats in 'waves' because they are so time consuming. What I do is take a period of time when I do tons of work for a while and then step away and do nothing for a while. Then I plan out the next wave of work and when i'm inspired or have the time, I get to it and knock out the next wave..

That's how it goes. These projects are long term goals and they should be treated as such. Just NEVER give up. A little here and a little there and slowly it will transform into a completed working boat.

-Rich.
May 17, 2012, 05:43 PM
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Nouveau


Well its not Nouveau, found it ( Dauntless) at the local hobby shop, needs a little TLC, and we are good to go, its running 2 dual Hughey gear drives, I needed this one......Nouveau sits gathering dust, maybe this will inspire me.
May 17, 2012, 05:47 PM
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Cool !
May 17, 2012, 07:32 PM
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Well its not Nouveau, found it ( Dauntless) at the local hobby shop, needs a little TLC, and we are good to go, its running 2 dual Hughey gear drives, I needed this one......Nouveau sits gathering dust, maybe this will inspire me.
Hi Randy,

I have a Dauntless builder's-owners forum if you want to chime in at any time..We are always happy to chat about the Dauntless a have a good following of folks interested in that boat..

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_46...age_114/tm.htm

-Rich.
Jul 02, 2012, 08:05 PM
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Hi Randy, Don here. I have not seen anything about your boat build lately so I thought I would see how you are doing. I guess right now is the time to use boats and put off the building of them. I recently purchased one of the new Lindberg Constellations but it is sitting gathering dust as I am outside with other projects and when I do go boating, I have a boat that is ready to go.

Don
Sep 06, 2012, 06:03 PM
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very nice looking boat you got going there
Jul 23, 2014, 08:29 PM
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What ever happened to this build? was it ever finished?
I would like to get a set of the plans
Jul 24, 2014, 07:16 AM
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GEORGE- The plans were originally printed in the Marine Modeling magazine out of the UK. They still offer the plans thru their plans service and also have a catalog of the plans that they offer. The plans are for the SAGA but copyright might have come into play so they named it NOUEAU.
Jul 24, 2014, 08:56 AM
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Thanks Rich
Oct 17, 2015, 06:12 PM
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Hallo
My name is Gerhard from Germany , i have the Plan and would like to build it.
Is this Model finish , give there more Pictures ,Picture from a finish Model?
The Plan give here : http://gb.trapletshop.com/nouveau
Greetings Gerhard
Last edited by Gerhard Ruhnau; Oct 17, 2015 at 06:55 PM.
Oct 22, 2015, 11:38 AM
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Nouveau


Hi
This boat is not the Saga
I found on Web the Design
Picture taken from here, and there more http://www.werneryachtdesign.com/WER...%200404_1.html
Oct 22, 2015, 01:33 PM
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Gerhard Ruhnau- I have to take acceptation as to the Nouveau/SAGA drawing being the same boat as the Werner Yacht Design plans, in that although the lines above the water line are very similar, below the water line they are very much different.

The Warner Design has the props and rudders nestled in pockets or tunnels with a very deep skeg mounted aft between the prop shafts.
The SEGA is a mofified Vee bottom with an almost flat run to the aft sections to the stern. The skeg on the SAGA never goes deeper than the lowest point of the bottom planking and runs parallel to the water line.
Oct 22, 2015, 02:56 PM
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Thank you
Last edited by Gerhard Ruhnau; Dec 18, 2015 at 02:47 PM.
Feb 24, 2017, 05:20 PM
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Hello Together
Here is a short Clip with the Nouveau in Action
LIVERPOOL MODEL BOAT CLUB (0 min 34 sec)


Name of Builder is Joe Lang : http://www.liverpoolmodelboatclub.co.uk/page6.php
Greetings from Germany
Gerhard
Last edited by Gerhard Ruhnau; Feb 24, 2017 at 05:32 PM.
Feb 24, 2017, 06:02 PM
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GERHARD-How is it going? We haven’t heard from you in quite a while. I was very much interested in the build of the Nouveau that you started the thread about quite a while ago. The model came out looking great and it runs as good as it looks.

Glad to have you back on the forum.
Feb 25, 2017, 04:05 AM
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Hallo Frankg
i have not started with the building, was very sick and many times in hospital, at last i lost my left eyeball - 8 month ago.
now i think that i will start this year with 125% or 150% size from drawing
i do not understand why this beautiful boat so rare or not to see .
here other pictures what i found from the Nouveau :http://premiershipmodels.co.uk/class...-premier-range
.
I'm probably going to diagonally with plank

I think is better with the roundings

greetings gerhard
Last edited by Gerhard Ruhnau; Feb 25, 2017 at 02:25 PM.
Feb 25, 2017, 04:44 AM
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here a picture from randyde
this is a misstake, sorry randyde (2.)
picture 1 is correct: https://www.flatsau.de/Modell/www.wo...hadowsdone.jpg
Last edited by Gerhard Ruhnau; Feb 27, 2017 at 08:41 AM.


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