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Old Aug 11, 2011, 01:09 PM
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Polar Bear Fraud


I know there is another thread posted about this when the story broke several weeks ago, but I can't seem to find (I hate it when that happens!),

So I thought I would just post the update in a new thread. Looks like a federal investigation is underway;

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45447
Old Aug 11, 2011, 01:09 PM
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its Bushes fault
Old Aug 11, 2011, 01:13 PM
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Hey fella,

I SAW the film of the polar bears falling out of the sky onto the buildings.
It's real!
Old Aug 11, 2011, 01:16 PM
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Hey fella,

I SAW the film of the polar bears falling out of the sky onto the buildings.
It's real!
Hey, don't shoot the messenger!

Tell it too the Special agents from the Interior Departmentís inspector general's office.
Old Aug 11, 2011, 01:18 PM
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its Bushes fault
man its nobodys fault?
Old Aug 11, 2011, 01:29 PM
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Love how you call it fraud before the investigation has even released any prelim findings....

Honestly though, the original report wasn't out to lunch. Sounds more to me like researchers publishing an observed trend, and others (the eco-hippies) crusading the paper as "proof" they were correct. The paper wasn't even what I'd call in depth. There wasn't enough data to accurately conclude anything (and no conclusions should have been made). I would say I'm surprised the scientific community used such an incomplete report as "proof" of anything, but it seems par for the course since the climate change debate became a political one.
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Old Aug 11, 2011, 01:33 PM
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Wow, the "peer reviewed" consisted of the scientist's wife?
Old Aug 11, 2011, 01:35 PM
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Peer review is the key to good science. If it isn't done, you don't get good science.
Old Aug 11, 2011, 01:35 PM
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Love how you call it fraud before the investigation has even released any prelim findings....
Based on the article that is what is being investigated

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Honestly though, the original report wasn't out to lunch. Sounds more to me like researchers publishing an observed trend, and others (the eco-hippies) crusading the paper as "proof" they were correct. The paper wasn't even what I'd call in depth. There wasn't enough data to accurately conclude anything. I would say I'm surprised the scientific community used such an incomplete report as "proof" of anything, but it seems par for the course since the climate change debate became a political one.

I find it interesting that they "concluded" the observed bears drowned when the closest they got was a 1500 flyover in the first place.
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Old Aug 11, 2011, 01:40 PM
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Peer review is the key to good science. If it isn't done, you don't get good science.

Good science doesn't come from ad agencies, focus groups, and political marketing strategists.

That is where you get social manipulation and propaganda information.
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Peer review is the key to good science. If it isn't done, you don't get good science.
Well, they claimed it WAS done. But by the wife of the person writing the paper? Wow.


And, "peer review is a key." It isn't the key.
Old Aug 11, 2011, 01:42 PM
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Old Aug 11, 2011, 01:43 PM
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Love how you call it fraud before the investigation has even released any prelim findings....

Honestly though, the original report wasn't out to lunch. Sounds more to me like researchers publishing an observed trend, and others (the eco-hippies) crusading the paper as "proof" they were correct. The paper wasn't even what I'd call in depth. There wasn't enough data to accurately conclude anything (and no conclusions should have been made). I would say I'm surprised the scientific community used such an incomplete report as "proof" of anything, but it seems par for the course since the climate change debate became a political one.
"Observed trend?"

"we saw four polar bears while flying in an airplane. We think they drowned because sea ice is receeding."


How is that an "observed trend?"


Note that they didn't even confirm any cause of death.
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Peer review is the key to good science. If it isn't done, you don't get good science.
Double- blind studies are also good as well as replication. But just telling the truth is helpful.
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But just telling the truth is helpful.
Oh just stop that, you know that doesn't further the enviro cause!


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