E Flite P51B - Conversion and Installation of the New FMS Version 6 Tail ETract - RC Groups
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Jul 15, 2011, 03:34 PM
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E Flite P51B - Conversion and Installation of the New FMS Version 6 Tail ETract


Here's the base retract:

http://www.pw-rc.com/product_info.ph...oducts_id/1943

Not too shabby for $16.00!

The E-Flite 10-15 Steering Arm cost about half that. http://www.e-fliterc.com/Products/De...ProdID=EFLG113

I think the above listed assembly is a steerable version of this retract

http://www.pz-servos.com/en/products...etail&P_Id=835


Here's how I modified this small E-Tract unit to fit into the E-Flite P51B's existing tail wheel opening and to steer via a pushrod linkage.

I will add text when I get a chance. For the time being, the photos are self-explanatory




Parts

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E-Flite 10-15 Steering Arm Modifications Required

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E-Tract Unit Disassembly

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E-Tract Unit Modifications Required


Strut Modification

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Trunnion Modification Name: Trunnion Modification.jpg
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E-Tract Right Housing Modifications Name: Retract Housing Right Side Modification.jpg
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Fabricate and Install a Bottom Mounting Plate

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Install Pushrod Guide Plate - Note the Tubing Bushing Name: Install Pushrod Guide.jpg
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E-Tract Installation

Start the insertion in the deepest part of the retract bay, the front. Use a clockwise twisting motion and wiggle if needed. Insertion should NOT require any force. The unit will go in freely if it is turned in at the correct angles.


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The only way I can make this easier is to do it for you!
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Jul 16, 2011, 01:13 PM
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Wow, blundering boob free instructions........excellent documentation!!!Thanks a bunch

Regards
Mike
Jul 16, 2011, 04:44 PM
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Wow, blundering boob free instructions........excellent documentation!!!Thanks a bunch

Regards
Mike
Thanks Mike!

I can't tell you how many different servoless retracts I've tested, how many different steering linkage configurations I've tested and how many tries it took to make it fit into the tiny, shallow opening of the P51B. I settled on this setup because it is the lightest E-Tract and the most reliable steering linkage I could come up with. Total weight is 1.25 ounces, including the mounting plate, E-Flite Steering Arm and clevis.

I may elaborate a bit or add more pictures at a later time, but I think what I've posted is fairly self-explanatory. If you have any questions let me know?

Regards,

Anthony
Last edited by ALL American; Jul 18, 2011 at 08:49 PM.
Jul 18, 2011, 06:20 PM
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Anthony

Your diligence is appreciated thats what these groups are all about modellers helping modellers.

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Mike
Jul 18, 2011, 08:50 PM
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Anthony

Your diligence is appreciated thats what these groups are all about modellers helping modellers.

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Mike
Please post some pics of your setup when it's complete and feel free to PM me if you need some help.

Regards,

Anthony
Jul 18, 2011, 09:33 PM
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I was thinking about what about some tail wheel gear doors...perhaps something like the set up on the FMS Mustang....wouild be nice to have the tailwheel bay covered when retracted.....just isn't much room inside. Just a thought that I'm kicking around....

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Mike
Jul 18, 2011, 10:00 PM
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I was thinking about what about some tail wheel gear doors...perhaps something like the set up on the FMS Mustang....wouild be nice to have the tailwheel bay covered when retracted.....just isn't much room inside. Just a thought that I'm kicking around....

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Mike
Mike,

I am happy that the E-Tract fits! There is physically no room to spare when installing the assembled E-Tract into the the retract bay. Therefore, any hinges would be in the way. Now, if the hinges and doors can be added after the E-Tract is inside of the retract bay and made removable for servicing the retract, then I don't see any reason why it is not doable. If you figure out how to install gear doors please share. For the time being, I am happy that I don't have to look at a tail wheel hanging down or watch it retract in the wrong direction.

Now if the automotive paint supplier ever comes through with an Olive Drab that matches the Oracover I'll be able to finish my plane.

Regards,

Anthony
Dec 23, 2015, 11:17 AM
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Thanks for writing this up. Sorry but I am just now getting around to building this plane. Your links for the retract are no longer valid. Do you by chance know of a new source for the retract?
Dec 24, 2015, 10:45 AM
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Thanks for writing this up. Sorry but I am just now getting around to building this plane. Your links for the retract are no longer valid. Do you by chance know of a new source for the retract?
I do not have updated links for the parts. Try Motion RC for the FMS P51 Tail Retract and the other parts are E Flite and parts I recycled that came with the P51B . The mounting plate was constructed from a nearly indestructible plastic, but you can substitute a light aluminum.

Good Luck

Anthony
Jan 11, 2016, 06:10 AM
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First off thanks for the suggestion for the website to get the tail retract, they had them.

I have done the required modifications to the retract and was in the process of making the mounting plate. I have a request can you post a picture of how the steering rod attaches and how the steering mechanism is assembled on the retract? Sorry but I can't seem to figure that part out.

Thanks again
Jan 11, 2016, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by camoy
First off thanks for the suggestion for the website to get the tail retract, they had them.

I have done the required modifications to the retract and was in the process of making the mounting plate. I have a request can you post a picture of how the steering rod attaches and how the steering mechanism is assembled on the retract? Sorry but I can't seem to figure that part out.

Thanks again
This is an old project.
Send me your email address and I'll see if I still have any pics.

Anthony
Mar 23, 2016, 11:42 PM
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This is an old project.
Send me your email address and I'll see if I still have any pics.

Anthony
I am also interested in making this modification, my kit has all the parts, radio, and servos. Finally going to put it on my bench, and get it ready. Just found this post and interested in more photos, so I will send you an email..

Has anyone installed a set of doors? Definitely going to make this mod, and still trying to come up with simple and reliable door mechanism without resorting to adding another servo to operate the doors.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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