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Old Jun 15, 2011, 03:12 PM
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I made the disclaimer in my post: I'm a slow builder.... so 60 hours sounds safe. And I do account for all the time, like when Im sitting in front of the plane thinking how to do stuff
Jack it was great meeting you at florida jets. You are going to love the electra. Looking at how nice your BVM F100 is you can take how ever long you want to build
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Old Jun 15, 2011, 03:14 PM
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Hey Jack

Where you actually serious when you said you don't sand the glue surface?
And you don't clean it?? You put Epoxy right on to it?

Or was it a joke? Ever had the occasion of something coming off?

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Old Jun 15, 2011, 03:27 PM
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Hey Jack

Where you actually serious when you said you don't sand the glue surface?
And you don't clean it?? You put Epoxy right on to it?

Or was it a joke? Ever had the occasion of something coming off?

Regards
NS.
I assume it was the other Jack who said this. I do sand (maybe thatīs why it takes me 60 hours haha)

I use this tool, which saves a lot of time http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessor...l.aspx?pid=502

whatīs important is to clean after sanding. If you won't clean the surface, better not sand it
Old Jun 15, 2011, 03:29 PM
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Jack it was great meeting you at florida jets. You are going to love the electra. Looking at how nice your BVM F100 is you can take how ever long you want to build
Hi gunradd,

hope I could take credit for the F100, but that was my dad who built it. And he is a really quick builder too.

It was also good meeting you at FL jets. Will you make it next year?

Jack G
Old Jun 15, 2011, 03:31 PM
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did i meet you jack?
Old Jun 15, 2011, 03:39 PM
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did i meet you jack?
Not formally, we were pitting next to each other. I definitely remember your plane. Really cool paint scheme.
Old Jun 15, 2011, 03:40 PM
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did i meet you jack?
He was in the tent right next to mine Hoser with that pretty F100.

Yes Jack I live in Tampa so cant miss Florida jets!
Old Jun 15, 2011, 03:47 PM
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Old Jun 15, 2011, 03:49 PM
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the guy that needed a lite for his cigar?
THat was my dad!!!!
Old Jun 15, 2011, 04:28 PM
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I assume it was the other Jack who said this. I do sand (maybe thatīs why it takes me 60 hours haha)

I use this tool, which saves a lot of time http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessor...l.aspx?pid=502

whatīs important is to clean after sanding. If you won't clean the surface, better not sand it
Yeah it was the other Jack..the Crazy Jack

I wanted to ask him if he was serious about it.

Cause I am still a bit worried..I am building a Spark and sanded all surfaces for the elevator and aileron till it was witheish and cleaned it off with a wet towel( had no acetone or the like with me) and then put JB Weld 24H Epoxy on it....now my luck depends if it is going to hold up as I am coming closer to my maiden flight.

I move and shacked the stuff around but would not move a milimeter or inch..it would move but the skin surface would move with it, lol.

So my Luck or Fail depends on it, if I loose a 4000 Bucks Jet or will Enjoy it.

NS.
Old Jun 15, 2011, 04:34 PM
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I use a foam backed sanding square that I get from the local paint store or one of the big boxes.
You can cut it down to any shape or size with scissors.
Before I ever start working on build I sand the entire interior of the model and then wipe it clean a paint prep solvent such as Prep Solv from 3M.

NS I really doubt you will have any of those glue joint break loose unless the are was covered with dust or dirt.
Old Jun 15, 2011, 05:58 PM
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Hey Jack

Where you actually serious when you said you don't sand the glue surface?
And you don't clean it?? You put Epoxy right on to it?

Or was it a joke? Ever had the occasion of something coming off?

Regards
NS.
I was 100% serious. I have had a former break out and had to be re-glued but only after a pretty hard landing, if it wouldn't have broken out it would have likely broken. IMO the force required to break the glue joint exceeds the force required to break the glass or former, something is going to give, may as well be the glue joint! I have never, ever seen anything just seperate in-flight or from regular use though...

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Old Jun 15, 2011, 05:59 PM
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I assume it was the other Jack who said this. I do sand (maybe thatīs why it takes me 60 hours haha)

I use this tool, which saves a lot of time http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessor...l.aspx?pid=502

whatīs important is to clean after sanding. If you won't clean the surface, better not sand it
Your dad knows me, we met "officially" at WINAMAC last year...

Jack
Old Jun 15, 2011, 06:07 PM
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Yeah it was the other Jack..the Crazy Jack

I wanted to ask him if he was serious about it.

Cause I am still a bit worried...
You can always try and twist it out by hand, I doubt you can make it budge without pratically breaking the plane. I am a pretty skilled builder, I do clean work and take time where it is necesary. Any new plane I first look over very carefully, including feeling the inside. Perhaps BVM just upped their game in the last few years but I'm not seeing any issue with glue sticking to the glasss as long as you use the right glue.

Something like CA needs surface preperation for sure. Also, remember BVM has been bulding for a long time, maybe residue was an issue before, maybe it's just an issue that pops up from time-to-time, them saying it is to cover themselves in case. I think as a builder you need to learn what works and what doesn't, everyone has their own peeves and things they think are necessary as well as things they think are not necessary...

Jack
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Hey Jack D. Are you or your dad going to Winamac? Also welcome to RCG.
Also let me know when you want to mountain climing.


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