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May 10, 2012, 07:44 PM
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The PZ T-28 is on the list at 4.5, which I'd say is in the ballpark when I compare my experiences with it, the HZ Super Cub (2.25), PZ Wildcat (4.5) and E-Flite T-34 (6).

That said, there is a certain level of subjectiveness (?) in the rankings. What one person rates as a 4 may be a 2 or a 9 to someone else.
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May 11, 2012, 12:08 AM
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Theres definitely subjectiveness in there - and you do lose perspective once you gain experience.

Thats part of the reason I ask for a second opinion or somone else to confirm the number. If people disagree then I just average it out.

I'm glad this compilation is still of help to people

Cheers - boingk
May 11, 2012, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by H2SO4
@BoingK: I noticed that the list contains a bunch of balsa 3D planes, like a PA Extra 260 rated 5, and a few 3DHS and Extreme Flight models. IMHO, that is absolute sandbagging, and every single one of those planes should be a 10 - "requires expert pilot". They are far, far too maneuverable to be used as trainers, and far too fragile to survive more than a lucky flight or two in the hands of somebody to whom it might be a second or third plane.

Whoever added those ratings to the old list had a sense of humor
I would put them all in the 8 range personally. If you have made a bunch of good clean flights with a lesser rated plane then a 3D plane shouldn't be an issue. Granted you're not going to be flying them the way they are intended to be flown but getting up and down shouldn't be an issue.
May 11, 2012, 12:44 AM
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Fair enough guys, good call. I haven't got experience with them but also was thinking they might need a higher rating. I'll try and move them all this evening, or failing that when I'm between shifts on Tuesday.

Cheers - boingk
May 11, 2012, 02:43 PM
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A bigger Balsa plane is often more "easy" to fly, than the smaller lighter foamy's. I build a Sig Riser 100 sailplane. and mounted a Graupner motor, with 11x6 propeller in the nose.
In the beginning I was a bit shaky, but it's a pleasure to fly. Steady, with lot of power. And I can fly it on windy days, quiet days are rare this time of year. But the most imported part of any model is the trim. Correct CG? No warps? etc. I will give this classic a 4. I like the authority the heavyer models fly with. And the nice sound it makes in a low pass.
May 11, 2012, 05:10 PM
Arrowhead
Some administrative items...

- There is a Parkzone P-51 BL rated as a 5, and a Parkzone P-51 Gunfighter at 6.5, and another Parkzone P-51 at a 7. Are these the same plane?

- GWS Formosa is listed as a 7 and a 7.5

- Two Alfa F-86 entries as 7's, one right after the other.

Just trying to help tidy things up
May 14, 2012, 03:22 AM
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Righteo guys, most of the recommendations have been updated.

One thing though... I'm seeing a few things in the '5' category (good 2nd plane after sim/tuition) that I wouldn't put there. Stuff like the ParkZone Corsair, P-47 and P-51 and Stryker.

The warbirds are fastish aileron-equipped low-wingers and the Stryker is a speedy delta... personally I'd be inclined to put them all as a 6 or 7 (3rd plane). What do you guys reckon?

Cheers - boingk
May 14, 2012, 09:58 PM
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Righteo guys, most of the recommendations have been updated.

One thing though... I'm seeing a few things in the '5' category (good 2nd plane after sim/tuition) that I wouldn't put there. Stuff like the ParkZone Corsair, P-47 and P-51 and Stryker.

The warbirds are fastish aileron-equipped low-wingers and the Stryker is a speedy delta... personally I'd be inclined to put them all as a 6 or 7 (3rd plane). What do you guys reckon?

Cheers - boingk
Nah, maybe the stryker. the PZ birds are easy, they fly like trainers.
May 17, 2012, 05:27 AM
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Thanks for the conformation ArneHu and the CG tip. As all of YOU already know, plane setup (trim, cg, alignment) is most important. I did see a Hawksky on your list at a 3 And I would agree with that number. It IS a tough plane sustaining several crashes with little more than some CA and a few carbon rods...

Although I can fly the Champ by now....

Mark
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May 19, 2012, 04:14 PM
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I would put them all in the 8 range personally. If you have made a bunch of good clean flights with a lesser rated plane then a 3D plane shouldn't be an issue. Granted you're not going to be flying them the way they are intended to be flown but getting up and down shouldn't be an issue.
I have a 55" 3DHS Extra 300, a 48" Extreme Flight Yak54, and a 50" GP Edge 540. I would rate them as something lower than an 8 even! I am a 62 yr old that has been flying a total of 18 months. I would not rate myself any higher than a decent intermediate flier. The thing about bigger planes that are rated as 3D is the intimidation factor. They are a lot easier to fly than most planes that I have or had. They fly like they are on rails. Nothing weird happens, point them and they go there. If a long time flier rates them, I am suspect because they may have forgotten how it was for them (as a newer flier) a few years ago. BUT, I am still pretty new, I still have my Champ! And I rate them as a low/medium rating. My $.02
Don
May 20, 2012, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dkrhardy
I have a 55" 3DHS Extra 300, a 48" Extreme Flight Yak54, and a 50" GP Edge 540. I would rate them as something lower than an 8 even! I am a 62 yr old that has been flying a total of 18 months. I would not rate myself any higher than a decent intermediate flier. The thing about bigger planes that are rated as 3D is the intimidation factor. They are a lot easier to fly than most planes that I have or had. They fly like they are on rails. Nothing weird happens, point them and they go there. If a long time flier rates them, I am suspect because they may have forgotten how it was for them (as a newer flier) a few years ago. BUT, I am still pretty new, I still have my Champ! And I rate them as a low/medium rating. My $.02
Don
Ah, but would you recommend a balsa 3D machine as the obvious next step after the obligatory Champ and T-28? After all, that's what the '8' rating means on this scale - "good third plane".

The aim here, as I see it, is to help beginners determine the advisability of purchasing a particular airframe as their first/second/third plane, or to steer them away from something by designating it as suitable for experts only (10). If you say that a 48" balsa 3D plane is an 8, or even lower (), someone somewhere will buy that thing straight after their first aileron trainer ... and take home a bag of balsa/ply toothpicks after they discover that they just don't yet have the reactions and the orientation to deal with something which is just as happy flying upside down or sideways, or upside down and sideways.

3D balsa = 10. Just a personal opinion. If you're a beginner aiming for 3D, there's a bunch of 3D-capable foam you should be flogging to death first, before plonking down for that precision balsa plane.
May 20, 2012, 08:19 AM
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Ah, but would you recommend a balsa 3D machine as the obvious next step after the obligatory Champ and T-28? After all, that's what the '8' rating means on this scale - "good third plane".

The aim here, as I see it, is to help beginners determine the advisability of purchasing a particular airframe as their first/second/third plane, or to steer them away from something by designating it as suitable for experts only (10). If you say that a 48" balsa 3D plane is an 8, or even lower (), someone somewhere will buy that thing straight after their first aileron trainer ... and take home a bag of balsa/ply toothpicks after they discover that they just don't yet have the reactions and the orientation to deal with something which is just as happy flying upside down or sideways, or upside down and sideways.

3D balsa = 10. Just a personal opinion. If you're a beginner aiming for 3D, there's a bunch of 3D-capable foam you should be flogging to death first, before plonking down for that precision balsa plane.
I totally agree if they fly it 3D style. Some people buy them as very well behaved sports planes, setup with lower throws and a slightly more forward CG than normal. 3D planes flown that way are excellent because they have no bad tendencies. But for the most part, that is not how people are going to use them, so for the purposes of this chart, I agree a 10 is the proper rating.
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May 21, 2012, 03:15 PM
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Just found this thread, great info for beginners. I have been flying helis, I can barely fly collective pitch, but getting better every weekend. I did fly my first plane last weekend. It's a Hobby King blue J-3 cub. 3 channel bird. Was very easy to fly, even in a little wind. I am currently building an AXN floater which is a 4 channel powered glider. Looking at the list, looks like my next step would be a high wing faster model, like a Decathelon. There are three models I have questions about. At what point will I be ready for low wing aerobatic models (I won't be doing stunts)? I really like the Gee Bee, both the scale like the Great Planes and the R3 from Hobbyking. And I have 2 other planes in kits that I know I am not ready for but I got one in a trade and the other was $50 new. Both are NIB in storage right now. I have a Multiplex Twin Jet and a Multiplex Twister EDF. From observations of others flying and flying on the sim, I feel like I could tackle the Twin Jet after I fly competently on the 4 channel plane I am building now, since it is able to fly slow with it's large wing area. The Twister will stay in the box for now. I would like to get started on the Twin Jet build, but first I have to finish builind the glider and then a 450 heli that is almost done. Too many aircraft!!!!
I did check the list and see the Decathalon and the Twister, but not the Twin Jet. And where would my AXN floater and 3 channel HK piper cub rank? That cub was $50 PNF and the club members were impressed with it for the price so maybe we can add it to the list. Great beginner plane, but I'm a little above a complete newbie with my sim and helicopter experience.
May 21, 2012, 05:38 PM
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May 21, 2012, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dkrhardy
I have a 55" 3DHS Extra 300, a 48" Extreme Flight Yak54, and a 50" GP Edge 540. I would rate them as something lower than an 8 even! I am a 62 yr old that has been flying a total of 18 months. I would not rate myself any higher than a decent intermediate flier. The thing about bigger planes that are rated as 3D is the intimidation factor. They are a lot easier to fly than most planes that I have or had. They fly like they are on rails. Nothing weird happens, point them and they go there. If a long time flier rates them, I am suspect because they may have forgotten how it was for them (as a newer flier) a few years ago. BUT, I am still pretty new, I still have my Champ! And I rate them as a low/medium rating. My $.02
Don
I tend to agree. I don't have the collection that this poster has, but have a carbon z yak, mini funtana x, twist 3d, and a hacker super zoom. I'll be 69 next birthday, been flying a little over a year and find the 3d type planes the easiest to fly of all. I do not do 3d stuff, but fly them like a normal aerobatic plane with throws dumbed down. They are the most predictable, have enough response to get you out of trouble and will still respond at a lot lower speeds when compared to warbirds for instance. They don't try to do things like right themselves on their own, as the previous poster stated, they just fly where you tell them to. They are extremely well mannered. They actually are just as easy if not easier to fly than my T28 for instance. Don't let the 3d thing in the name stop you. I did for some time and wasted money on other planes I don't like nearly as well. I consider myself sort of an advanced beginner. Flying 3d is hard, but flying 3d planes is not.


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