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Apr 21, 2011, 09:55 AM
Why kamikaze pilot wear helmet
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Toe in or Toe Out on War bird front landing gear?


Ok, wich way is more stable for landing and take off.

Is it better to have your wheels a little toed in or out?

I know stright ahead would be great. LOL
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Apr 21, 2011, 10:07 AM
3DHS Junkie
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toe in
Apr 21, 2011, 08:25 PM
Glenn
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Second the toe in.
Apr 21, 2011, 09:08 PM
Why kamikaze pilot wear helmet
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thanks
Apr 21, 2011, 09:15 PM
Auctung! P-40!
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depends.. narrow gear like the P-40 & Bf 109, toe-out. just like the real ones.
Apr 22, 2011, 01:53 AM
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Agree with P40 on that one..tow in on narrow gear...more likely to nose over..they toed em out in the idea that it would help...

Mustang was toed in

TM
Apr 22, 2011, 09:12 AM
Why kamikaze pilot wear helmet
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So Would the tow in or out effect take off?

I have a 540T Edge, When I take off, I have to use some/alot rudder like my war birds, but once it get to a good speed before I give it some up elevator, I have noticed it starts to nose over ( the front of the bird is heading toward the ground at 40-50mph take off speed)

I have even hit the prop before take off once, so i get worreid when I see it start noseing over I tend to jurk the elevator, it lifts off, but hit hits the tail wheel pretty hard.

I cant look to see if it has toe in or out, as I was flying it yesterday, and I freaken had a stall while doing a hover about 50feet off the ground. I was able to get it do nose over, I made it dive stright down to get some speed, and pulled up last sec, it riped the wheels out, and almost broke the hole back end off the bird.

But she will fly once more
Apr 22, 2011, 01:57 PM
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you could actually use more toe on one gear to counter the tendancy for a warbird to not track a straight line on take off

They want to go right..so put a touch more toe on the right gear to help hold it straight. Just like on a car..race cars use more toe, along with other things to either make the car more stable and help with understeer..less toe..less stable..

TM
Apr 23, 2011, 07:33 PM
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Toe in because the drag on the ground will tend to straighten to zero toe. Full size airplanes are almost always straight on
May 01, 2011, 09:28 PM
Why kamikaze pilot wear helmet
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Well I did not have time to make my retracts have toe in, but made the straight. Well I came in fast and I touch down a little harder than I would like and the wheels dug in the mud.

Warning to others. This caused them to toe out and made the retracts collapse.

If the were toed in. It would of not failed as the action of being pushed in would go agenst the bracket vs pushing against the servo
May 10, 2011, 09:24 PM
Leroy G.
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toe in


Toe in around 2-3 degrees, do not toe one side more than the other, all these type planes pull right on take off so use rudder not aleron to correct. Leroy

Why toe in, ? Like on your car, front wheels have toe in to keep wheels from wandering, it does the same thing on these scale models and aids tracking. LEROY
Last edited by Leroy G; May 15, 2011 at 08:18 PM.
May 11, 2011, 10:48 AM
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use both
May 07, 2017, 07:56 AM
Shakey Sticks

Toe in on tail draggers.


http://www.modelairplanenews.com/tam...-tail-dragger/
Works great for me. Especially when you do not have a steerable tail, like the Fokker DR-1 and have to land on hard pavement. So says my 41 years of flying. But what do I know.
May 07, 2017, 08:21 AM
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Best highlight from the article,,,
Quote:
Most WW II warbirds are tail-draggers, so if you like military planes, learn to use rudder!
May 07, 2017, 09:40 AM
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I have to admit that I am not much of a warbird guy however almost every power airplane I have owned over the past 20 years have been tail draggers. I personally set them all at zero by eyeball, fairly accurate with wheel pants as a guide. I would have to say that whether they are toed out or in a couple degrees or straight, it just is not going to make any real difference with our models. What will make a huge difference is gear placement in relation to CG, the actual CG of the airplane, thrust lines, rudder setup and of course the pilots ability to use the rudder.

Mike, I have flown at least a dozen Edge variants and have not had any such issues. I would suggest you checking a few things.

Right thrust, it should have close to 3 degrees.

Down thrust, it should have none and in fact could have up to .5 degrees up

CG, for 3D it should be 33% back from leading edge measured anyplace on the wing.

Gear, was it mounted straight?


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