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Feb 21, 2011, 03:00 PM
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LLG: Light Lazy Glider… for 7$

I ‘m sharing some scratch build experience. I hope you enjoy it.
Your comments, questions and suggestions are welcome. Don't forget, I am a beginner, in the hobby just 5 months ago.

I ‘m sorry about the photos quality (iPhone screen is covered with hot glue) and correct me if I do some language faults (English is my third language)

I started drawing an easy to build glider.
As you see in the blue ink pen non-scaled sketch, it’s something near the springer’s OSG, with less work needed, but less efficiency too. The OSG is lighter with a better build. This is not a comparison, it‘s just another way.

WeoCalc helps by suggesting the propeller size.
It indicates that the perfect propeller should be the 9x4.7, but I will try with the 8x4: it gives less thrust, but it’s enough. My only worry is about the direct drive, 8x4 prop needs some 0.84 gear ratio. Let’s go for it, life is a test.

Technical specifications
All up weight : 12oz
Wingspan: 60” (Main wing: 30” / Dihedral tips: 2x15”)
Wing area: 255 sq in
Wing chord is 4.5”
Wing tips chord go from 4.5 to 3.5” on 15” long (that’s why area is 255” and not 270”) [different from the sketch]
Airfoil: Kfm2 (flat bottom)
Fuselage 27” long

4 Ch (throttle, ailerons, rudder, elevator)
Brushless motor: Small 1300kv outrunner
(GWS 8x4 gives 13 to 16 oz of thrust and 8~9A of current)
Lipo: 2S 1000mAh 30C

Total Co$t: ARF, without Tx/Rx, without lipo: 29$
Frame building cost: 7$
Foam: 1$
Carbon fiber: 1$
Rods and clevis: 2$
Tape, glue, wood: 1$ (less than)
Balsa wood: 2$
Electronics cost (w/o lipo, rx): 22$
Servos: 3x2.5= 7.5$
Motor: 4.7$ (+1.5$ shipping)= 6.2$
EBay ESC, 20A: 6.8$
Bullet and dean connectors: 1$
GWS 8x4 Propeller: 0.5$

Total work (design and build) took me something like 8~10 hours.
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Feb 21, 2011, 03:01 PM
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the fuselage

As I said, I was working without plan, but following the pattern (sketch). A good scratch build should be based on a good well done plan.
It ‘s just a good point for laziness.

I cut the foam structure. Notice that the one dollar foam was peeled.
The fuselage basement (black, reinforced with one 3mm carbon rod) is cut from a crashed plan. Laziness is reuse friendly.

The pink foam is extruded: this relatively heavy material should support the fuselage shape and the wing fixation.

Fuselage compartments:
First quarter: Lipo and ESC
Second quarter: Rx (remote Rx is outside), aileron’s servo installed on the bottom of the wing
Third quarter: rudder and elevator servos and rods (installed on light white foam).
Feb 21, 2011, 03:02 PM
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Wing and tail

Rudder and elevator are installer.
The remote Rx is installed outside: it’s the only visible component.

The wing is the master piece. It’s a tip dihedral form.
To make tips more strong, I used 2 binded 2mm rods (2” each) to have some structure. The wood reinforcement of the tip is glued on the central part, to the balsa spar.

Central wing is reinforced with 1/2 “ balsa spar, it makes heavier but it is really strong.
The balsa spar is supporting the Kfm2 aifoil.

This laziness: airfoil is made using transparent tape only, I will test if it works really. I reinforced it with some strapping tape on the wing edge.

Tips angle is about 35° or a little less. Too much? May be.

Rear pushrods are installed, as clean as I can.
Feb 21, 2011, 03:04 PM
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Setup, check and test

Time to check the gravity center. I was lucky because I worked without plan, and there is no place to correct a tail heavy scenario.
Fortunately, my building was nose heavy when lipo is installed to the bottom. I used the oblique position the get a CG to the 1/3 of wing chord from the leading edge. (I let it a little bit nose heavy).

Tx channel is bind and configured.

The test was done Sunday at 22h pm (last night), in front of the house. I was just testing gliding abilities, without too much thrust nor control. Sorry for the bad photo quality.

To do list:
Install and check real pushrods for ailerons servo
Cover to top of the fuselage (transparent tape)
Make a real testing
Change incidence angle from zero and retest
Trim if required
Crash it

Videos and pictures should follow, just wait for the nice weather (currently, it’s 35km/h wind).
Can’t wait !

Thanks for reading.
Last edited by tayarati; Feb 23, 2011 at 10:39 AM.
Feb 23, 2011, 11:00 AM
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Maiden flight: test, trim and repair

Weather conditions:
Wind 11km/h – 6 mph
Temperature -17°C / 2° F
Sunny day

I was skating rather than walking, a lot of ice in this period of the year.
My keychain camera betrayed me . It was frozen and didn’t work (unless inside my warm pocket).

I hand launched the glider, it gets up, but turned right sharply. First hard landing.
The wing rubber was not tight enough, I ‘ve made a reinforcement.
I also trimmed the rudder.

Second try, ailerons were not responding well.
Anyway, I think it was a bad idea. Rudder-elevator is enough to control such a plane.

The motor betrayed me too get out of the mount, and I got another hard landing.
Peeled one dollar foam has no strength, at all.

Here is my to do list:
- Reinforce the nose (2 popsicles) instead of peeled foam.
- Some easy repair
- Remove ailerons
- Mount the motor (tightly)
- Check the CG

My daily lessons are:
Never ever rely on one servo to control 2 ailerons.
On a long wing with dihedral tips, ailerons are not efficient as on an small wing.

To be continued…
Feb 23, 2011, 03:39 PM
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Your design should fly fine with just rudder and elevator. The ailerons don't work with a lot of dihedral anyway.
Feb 23, 2011, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by goldguy
The ailerons don't work with a lot of dihedral anyway.
That was my lesson today
That 's what happen with beginner's design

I will glue and/or tape ailerons, and remove servo.
Also, I m' moving rudder control to the right hand.

(It's messy for me to have rudder with throttle, I usually turn but change throttle in same time)

The glider floated well this morning, but there was a lack of control (I used ailerons)

Feb 23, 2011, 09:38 PM
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Just to say that the used motor is for one use only, GWS propellers last more.
The prop is not broken (without prop saver) and the motor is out :-(
Mar 18, 2011, 10:19 AM
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Airfoil V2.0 What cans can do

I 'm back with an upgrade for my tape cheap airfoil.
The new airfoil is also cheap :-) not perfect but should be better.

And never forget: green to the right, red to the left!

Wing total weight: 4.5oz
Wing span: 60"
Wing chord: 4.5"
Mar 24, 2011, 12:15 PM
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It glides!

Just to say: it's working!
See the worst quality screenshots
Mar 24, 2011, 04:22 PM
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nice build and it flys nicely, where abouts in the now melting great white north are you i am in ottawa if you are close we could hook up for some flying some time

Mar 24, 2011, 08:39 PM
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Thanks Jim!
I 'm in Quebec
Glad to have your invitation.

May be one day.
Apr 02, 2011, 09:46 PM
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Finally, here is the video :-)
Glider building and flight (3 min 23 sec)

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