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Jan 13, 2011, 06:01 PM
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Flight Performance of 1400mm FMS BF-109


I finally got my 1400mm FMS BF109 into the air today. To make a long story short, I was somewhat disappointed in the flight performance. I flew it twice and on both flights I spent the whole flight at full throttle to get anything approaching enjoyable performance. I am not a speed demon, but I would like to fly and enjoy the speed at less than full throttle except for vertical maneuvers. Now I'm new to these electric foamies and maybe I am expecting too much, but here goes...

4c 2650/3000 mah batteries, the motor says it's a 520kv motor, the ESC instructions cover three different models (20A, 30A & 50A), I'm thinking it's the 50A versions. the plane is flying on a 13x9 3-blade prop that I know hurts a little.

So I'm not that up on the technical part of this electric stuff, not even sure what is interchangable. the plane is stuck with a 3-blade prop because of ground clearance.

Could someone help me out here with what I would have to do to increase performance a bit.
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Jan 13, 2011, 06:07 PM
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PS: I notice the FMS P-51 uses a 600KV motor and has a 2-blade spinner available. Wonder if I could solve my problem with the P-51 motor and say a 13x10 or 12 prop?
Jan 13, 2011, 06:55 PM
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Here's the problem....the kv of the motor is too low for the pitch of the prop for the given voltage(4s)

A 520 kv motor using a 9 pitch prop on only a 4s lipo.
Here's the rundown....
4s lipo = 16.8 volts charged (minus a few tenths for battery condition....we'll use 16.5. A decent lipo will push out the amperage similar to a fully charged battery till about 3.85 volts per cell so you dont see much of a drop off in power output till then)

16.5 volts x 520kv = 8580 unloaded rpm

8580 x 9 pitch of prop = 77220

77220 x 60 minutes = 4633200

4633200 / 63360(inches in a mile) = 73 miles per hour(no drag or prop load, efficiency factored in)

So take 75% of 73 mph and you get 54mph. So..yeah...not exactly screaming fast.

if you change to the 600kv motor, you'll get 84mph unloaded, 63mph real world. A nice improvement.

If you get a spinner with a 2 blade cutout, use a 13x10 and you should see 60mph real world on the 520kv motor or 70mph real world with the 600kv motor.

In all honesty, a 520-600kv motor is suited for a 5cell setup, not a 4s.
I have a 500kv turnigy motor possibly going in my bash of this me-109(whatever...E/F/something) and Id be using a 5s lipo with it
5s = 20.5 volts
500x20.5x9x60= 5535000
5535000 / 63360 = 87mph unloaded or 65mph real world with the stock prop

Or using an e-flite power 25 with a 870kv motor on 4s
870x16.5x9x60= 7751700
7751700 / 63360 = 122mph unloaded or 91mph real world

I was using the power 25 with a 12x6 APC E prop on an E-flite Erratix 3D 55" wingspan balsa plane and had unlimited vertical.
The 3 blade 13x9x3 from FMS might be a bit much for that motor, but as long as you dont go full throttle often..it'd be fine
Last edited by kahloq; Jan 14, 2011 at 03:16 PM.
Jan 13, 2011, 07:07 PM
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btw i used that power 25 with 12x10 in a parkzone me-109

speed u ask?

101mph on 4s! yes...I had to reinforce the plane.
Jan 13, 2011, 07:09 PM
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So it sounds like you are saying my idea will work and work even better with a 5c battery. I can't spend the money for a couple of 5c's, even from China right now; but a new motor/ESC is possible.
Jan 13, 2011, 07:59 PM
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isn't a 4s 14.8 volts, nominal charged?
Jan 14, 2011, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rgd1065
isn't a 4s 14.8 volts, nominal charged?
14.8 at safe discharged/storage status yes. 3.7 volts per cell. But a fully charged 4s is 16.8 volts or 4.2 volts per cell.
Jan 14, 2011, 03:20 PM
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Interested in selling the 520kv motor??
PM if ya want to plz.

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Jan 14, 2011, 06:31 PM
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A very nice cheap upgrade is the monster power 32 from hobby partz(22.00) (out of stock) i put a hyperion 3025-990 in mine , on 4s were guessing 80 mph , was 39.99 at aircraft world , 2.50 shipping , just going to a 2 blade prop will help a bunch , 13x10 ish
Jan 14, 2011, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by kahloq
14.8 at safe discharged/storage status yes. 3.7 volts per cell. But a fully charged 4s is 16.8 volts or 4.2 volts per cell.
It was tongue in cheek. You got it though.
Apr 21, 2011, 07:35 AM
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Looks like the Airfield BF109 is on sale. The Rx ready version is only $149 http://www.nitroplanes.com/specials.html
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