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Old Jan 21, 2013, 07:40 PM
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Just about everything is in Scott Stoops' book. Finding a copy is the problem.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 07:50 PM
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 08:04 PM
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Oh, and I believe on spoilerons and flaperons that Scott recommends a 50% mix to start with.

The link to this video is safe, but there's a lot of other stuff on this site you might not want to see. The video, though, is fairly awesome..........

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=004_1358809777
Old Jan 21, 2013, 08:27 PM
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I don't know if there is a list anywhere, but here are some you can check against your list

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Thanks a ton! Probably would have helped if I posted mine, but just looking at this there are a lot I don't have. I'll cross reference with mine and then post back.mthx again.

Doc - thank you as we'll. always appreciated!!
Old Jan 21, 2013, 08:32 PM
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-the other kind of knife edge wall (they're two completely different maneuvers, but I've heard them both called a knife edge wall)
-cascade

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Nice list. Can you describe these three here? I know the one KE Wall is when you perform a normal wall but add aileron and rudder in the middle of the maneuver in order to roll the plane 90 degrees to the original plane they were in. But I don't know the OTHER KE Wall.

Cascade?

Also, don't forget the ubiquitous waterfall or the Aneurism!
Old Jan 21, 2013, 08:32 PM
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Just about everything is in Scott Stoops' book. Finding a copy is the problem.
Is there any place that still sells them?
Old Jan 21, 2013, 08:49 PM
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Is there any place that still sells them?
You can contact him directly, he might still have some old copies that are damaged but still very readable.
Old Jan 21, 2013, 08:54 PM
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Once you get it dialed in - if you dont mind please share the settings of your mix. It is an impressive maneuver.
Well, I'm stumped. I have an elevator to spoileron and elevator to flaperon mix (ele->ail at +100, and -100). Works good for walls in real life and sim, and works well for tight KE spins in the sim only. But I couldn't get what you guys described. I'll have to play around with it some more based on some of the other ideas that were shared, but hopefully somebody who has actually done it will tell us.
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Amazon has them.mranging from 65 to 130...wow!
Old Jan 21, 2013, 09:03 PM
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Nice list. Can you describe these three here? I know the one KE Wall is when you perform a normal wall but add aileron and rudder in the middle of the maneuver in order to roll the plane 90 degrees to the original plane they were in. But I don't know the OTHER KE Wall.

Cascade?

Also, don't forget the ubiquitous waterfall or the Aneurism!
You have the one knife edge wall.

The other knife edge wall is a knife edge, then full up or down elevator to turn 180 degrees abruptly still on knife edge and continue in the other direction.

Cascade: Straight and level at high altitude. Do a rolling half loop like a split S and return to level flight as soon as you get to the bottom heading in the other direction.

I like the cascade because it's really abrupt, gut wrenching as you're rolling at the ground, and stops on a dime heading the other way... I gotta work on that one.

I FORGOT THE WATERFALL! GRRR!!!

Aneurism? Ooo, do tell

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I don't know if there is a list anywhere, but here are some you can check against your list.

-Aussie Toilet Bowl (Doc taught me that one)
Never heard of that one. Enlighten me!
Old Jan 21, 2013, 09:10 PM
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Never heard of that one. Enlighten me!
Full throttle across the field, then slam both sticks in the bottom right corner. It'll do this sick end over end tumble.

There's a quick one at the 30 second mark and a lower one at the 1:11 mark:

Tom Kitt - Extreme Flight Edge 540T EXP 48" (3 min 50 sec)


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Old Jan 21, 2013, 09:21 PM
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Full throttle across the field, then slam both sticks in the bottom right corner. It'll do this sick end over end tumble.

There's a quick one at the 30 second mark and a lower one at the 1:11 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HolRNJCMwlM

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Like a hard core snap that you just hold the inputs?

The Aneurism is something Chris H was explaining to me. Straight and level and you perform blender inputs, but you don't leave the sticks in the corners. I think you add the aileron input and instantly pull them back to neutral or slightly opposite. You hold the elevator down and I THINK you relax the rudder and then pulse the throttle. It causes a violent tumble when do correctly (I have not yet).
Old Jan 21, 2013, 09:26 PM
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Like a hard core snap that you just hold the inputs?

The Aneurism is something Chris H was explaining to me. Straight and level and you perform blender inputs, but you don't leave the sticks in the corners. I think you add the aileron input and instantly pull them back to neutral or slightly opposite. You hold the elevator down and I THINK you relax the rudder and then pulse the throttle. It causes a violent tumble when do correctly (I have not yet).
Yeah pretty much. Which way do our toilets flush? Do it the other way and it's an Aussie toilet bowl ... well, that's how Doc explained it to me

Ooooo, that sounds cool. I'll have to experiment next time out.

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Full throttle across the field, then slam both sticks in the bottom right corner. It'll do this sick end over end tumble.

There's a quick one at the 30 second mark and a lower one at the 1:11 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HolRNJCMwlM

--Tom K.
Oh, then I've made many of those. I call them "trying to break my plane" or "pissing off the old guys in the peanut gallery".


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