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Apr 15, 2011, 10:34 AM
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Some more:

Again The Who:
(my parents hated that music back in the ī80s when I played it,
but love CSI today - and thatīs one of the trailers of it. -
Late revenge? -
No - Iīm not into that sort of things.)
Bonnie Tyler:
Bonnie Tyler - Faster Than the Speed of Night (6 min 46 sec)

And Billy Joel:
Billy Joel - The Downeaster "Alexa" (3 min 43 sec)


ZZ Top:
(love the music and thatī34 Ford 3-window hotrod coupe)
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Apr 16, 2011, 11:27 AM
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Regarding perspectives:

Yes, I know - different time period of the ships and angleīs not the same - blablabla - who cares?
Apr 17, 2011, 02:55 AM
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Playing with numbers.

Sunday morning planning time.
Sitting over the general/layout plans of my galeon, staring at them, re-measuring single dimensions - keeps me thinking.

Somethings wrong here!

When I saw the first picture of this "spanish" galeon "Andalucia" for the first time, I had this strong impression that this ship must be of identical length/size as my "Red Lion" is.
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Apr 17, 2011, 03:19 AM
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Cube/weight relation.

Of course I know 1.26 x 1.26 x 1.26 = 2.000376 ~ 2.0 then.
1.25 x. 1.25 x 1.25 = 1.953125 - fair enough.

Therefore - if you would build a ship of 40 meters overall lenght 1.25 times bigger in all three dimensions, its original displacement of 250 metric tons of course would become 488.28125 tons ~ 500 tons then. Makes sense - right?

These two ships look so similar to me.
They look TOO similar to me!
I believe the "Andalucia" could have actually been built to the plans of the "Red Lion" - and really nobody would be able to notice that!

Now turning this whole thought around and looking closer into that problem, two things come to my mind:
1) This plans where drawn in Germany in 1942! -> ???
"What the heck was this man up to, to draw plans of a
16th century galeon in the middle of World War II ???"
"In Germany?"
" I mean - why did he do that? And why at that time?"
As he appearently was some sort of naval architect, he probably
should have designed some more warships for the nazis - right?
At least from a "nazi-point-of-view" - but not an old galeon.
Doesnīt make much sense to me!

2) Several dimensions of these original plans I have donīt make sense to
me as well!
I know, that people of the 16th century where commonly a bit smaller
than people are today, but only 1.55m height in the captnīs cabin?
If I was the captn of a 40 meter galeon,
I would have made sure to have enough headroom!

The same - too small - 1.55m height in the batterydeck,
but only 1.3m height in the forecastle? -
Planned for Hobbits - or what?

So what would happen, if this was actually a 1:25 model of a 50 meter long galeon with 500 tons displacement - instead of a 1:20 model of a
40 meter long galeon with 250 tons displacement? -...-

But the height of the decks would make sense then -...-

Except - that the publishers of this book also would have been liars to some extent then.

What do you think?
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Apr 19, 2011, 02:38 AM
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I also will have to build one of these:
Apr 24, 2011, 08:49 AM
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Easter Sunday.

Finetrimming fibreglass aftward +
one more size relation to the smaller version.
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Apr 24, 2011, 11:30 AM
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the stern looks so fat in the photos....what mm lens are you using?...only the vertical shots gives a truer perspective...coming along well.....
Apr 24, 2011, 01:07 PM
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Lens? I have no idea!

But the hull is 40 cm at the main cross section and at the stern itīs only 26 cm wide.
Apr 27, 2011, 01:14 PM
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Got a bit more done.

I have started to draw up all upper cross sections directly onto the
remaining foampieces using the cardboard templates to make the plug
for the hullsuperstructure.

Still not done with that, but possibly tomorrow I can start to cut all of them in one big sweep - again with the jigsaw.
Apr 27, 2011, 01:37 PM
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Some more.

But I think Iīll have to redo the plug for the captnīs gig on some other remaining piece(s) of foam.
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Apr 28, 2011, 02:26 PM
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I am enjoying watching your progress.

Very interesting following your method of building.
Apr 29, 2011, 12:06 AM
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Thanks for that!

Actually I developed this technique myself, as all different methods I came across over the past 33 years as a shipwright didnīt seem to be sufficient for my needs.

Especially the throughout use of doublesided selfadhesive tape in combination with this special insulation foam I havenīt found anywhere else!

If you - for example - would plan to do an Admirality Model with visible frames this method would be very helpful as well.
You could shape the complete hull untill youīre completely satisfied with the lines - and then take the whole thing apart again to use the single foam cross sections as templates for cutting each single frame from hardwood.

The foam is much easier to do than solid balsa or any other softwood.
The only problem that might be is to get the foam in the appropriate thickness - but even the foam can be handled with a plain.
Iīm thinking of a stationary plaining machine here like carpenters commonly use.
Apr 29, 2011, 12:32 AM
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Doubleposting - sorry, but it was necessary.

I get angry if I read prizes like this for such a model:

Somehow I need to express my protest -...-

"Regarding prizes - untill today Iīve only spent about 350,- Euro for the materials of my big galeon ->
- and this includes all materials to get the complete hull done in fibreglass/epoxy.
I doubt to break the 1000,-Euro-Barrier for the complete 2 meter shipmodel. (rc-set excluded of course)."
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