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Jul 17, 2010, 08:36 AM
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New release from fly fly-fox and ask 21


Just released today on hobby88.com website-3 metre fox,and a 2.6 metre ASK 21,both available as glider and electric.Both have a eppler 205 airfoil,same as the fly fly Condor-flatbottom airfoil.Both have flaps as well,ailerons,elevator and rudder.The fox is $230 USD.The ASK 21 is $130 USD.The price for the ASK 21 is good,and it has flaps,shame they didnt have them fitted on the ASW 28.regards damo
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Jul 17, 2010, 09:02 AM
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It looks like they have improved the build over ther Salto..they have saved abit of weight 3 meters (1.8kg) Salto 2.6m(also 1.8kg..flys like a brick). Their Condor is their best flying glider it is wise good they adopt the same wing section. If it performs like Windrider Habicht then it will be great.
Jul 17, 2010, 09:18 AM
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The condor has the same wing area as this newly released fox,and each share the identical eppler 205 flat-bottom airfoil,and wingspan.The fox would probably end up weighing what the condor does-approx 2.6-2.8 kg,when completed.The ask 21 is interesting, because it should thermal, with this airfoil,alot better than the ASW 28 for example,and it has flaps.It would also have to be better than the dg1000,with the eppler 205,and flaps.regards damo
Jul 18, 2010, 07:15 AM
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Wing loading and type of wing rods supplied?


Wing loading for the fox will be under 20 oz/sq foot if it weighs 2.8 kg,when completed,so it should still thermal okay,.The ask 21 wing loading will be higher than 20 oz/sq foot,and it probably is more of a slope glider,but would thermal better than the dg 1000 or asw 28,with its 30 dm sq wing area,and flat bottom airfoil.If l had to pick between these two new releases,l would go for the fox instead of the ask 21.Theres no mention of wing rods,the fox might have a carbon fiber wing rod like the condor does,but no info on that,dont know if the ask 21 has a steel rod or cf rod either.regards damo
Jul 18, 2010, 07:25 AM
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nice looking model so how are the pics of your new wings coming alone Damo?
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Jul 18, 2010, 07:43 AM
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Behind schedule on foam core wing build


Sorry,havent been able to take any pics of the dg808s foam core wings,to busy,regards damo
Jul 18, 2010, 07:24 PM
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The fox is definetly on my wanted to buy list, and the ASK 21 would be nice as well. Waiting on some more photos and video's
Jul 19, 2010, 03:18 AM
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Wise move-better off until a product and flight report becomes available to be on the safe side.The fox would also be my pick,and at $230 USD,which is approx $270 AUD,good value for a 3 meter ARF glider.regards damo
Jul 19, 2010, 05:46 AM
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Hobby88.com-flying weight of fox-misleading info.


Be aware of this -as stated on the hobby88.com website for the fox-flying weight-1900 grams-not correct and misleading info.Thats the dry weight,the same as my condor weighed,once radio,and ballast is added,and glass in the cockpit,more like 2.7 kg completed.All chinese manafacturers do this,and its misleading.regards damo
Jul 24, 2010, 11:25 PM
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If anyone has bought a fox or ask21,post a build thread if you can, with photos.I am sure people would be interested,regards damo
Jul 25, 2010, 04:55 AM
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I bought a fox, but mine is the composites scale models 4 meter fox.... build thread will start in Sepember.
Jul 25, 2010, 05:02 AM
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Big nuts-does the 4 meter have an eppler 211 airfoil?.are they still available from south australia for $600?regards damo
Jul 25, 2010, 08:01 AM
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hi there Damo, they are still available, there sold with an eppler 207 I think John said and the dollars have gone up a few hundred but you now get a fully moulded rudder etc but then you also get way more for your money and now I have a buddy of mine that can supply profesionally built wings that are to die for and good value too so this will also be part of the review.

not wanting to hijack your thread

cheers Rossco.
Jul 26, 2010, 03:38 AM
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Rossco,l had a look at the composite scale models site,and when l clicked on products-l got no response,dont know whats happening to their site.Anyway,even if they are $800,its still a beautiful looking model,and l hope to see pics of the one you are getting,etc.And no need to worry,you arent hijacking this thread,regards damo
Sep 20, 2010, 03:00 AM
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Just released today on hobby88.com website-3 metre fox,and a 2.6 metre ASK 21,both available as glider and electric.Both have a eppler 205 airfoil,same as the fly fly Condor-flatbottom airfoil.Both have flaps as well,ailerons,elevator and rudder.The fox is $230 USD.The ASK 21 is $130 USD.The price for the ASK 21 is good,and it has flaps,shame they didnt have them fitted on the ASW 28.regards damo
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