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Old Dec 23, 2011, 11:47 AM
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Here is something really neat. The software that powers this forum has a really neat feature that I just discovered while searching for a design in this long thread. While your in this thread up in the upper right under the pages there is a pull down 'Thread Tool' click on the down arrow and then click on 'Show Attachments in this Thread'. You will be presented with an amazing art gallery that will aid in searching for that perfect design.

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Old Dec 23, 2011, 01:17 PM
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 01:21 PM
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Here is something really neat. The software that powers this forum has a really neat feature that I just discovered while searching for a design in this long thread. While your in this thread up in the upper right under the pages there is a pull down 'Thread Tool' click on the down arrow and then click on 'Show Attachments in this Thread'. You will be presented with an amazing art gallery that will aid in searching for that perfect design.

Enjoy!

Hey, that's amazing! as you say it makes finding a particular plan SO much easier! Thanks for passing on the information!
Old Dec 23, 2011, 01:23 PM
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Here is something really neat. The software that powers this forum has a really neat feature that I just discovered while searching for a design in this long thread. While your in this thread up in the upper right under the pages there is a pull down 'Thread Tool' click on the down arrow and then click on 'Show Attachments in this Thread'. You will be presented with an amazing art gallery that will aid in searching for that perfect design.

Enjoy!

Well spotted Guy, that IS extremely cool! Amazing I have been around the forum for so long and never thought to try it - thanks!
Old Dec 23, 2011, 01:30 PM
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Alternatives to Photoshop


I also do plans work in bitmap format and archive master copies of my raw magazine plan scans and my finished plans as greyscale TIFFs. I use Paint Shop Pro 5.01 for the bitmap work, which I obtained free from Jasc back in the day as a gratuity for beta testing I did on it. My copy of Paint Shop Pro is circa 1998 and I am still able to run it under Windows 7.

But for publishing full size plans and taking them to the blueprint shop, there is no substitute for PDF format. I use OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 by Sun Microsystems with a PDF plug-in for importing my master TIFFs, scaling them, and exporting in PDF format. OpenOffice can also import PDFs and save them as bitmaps such as TIFF. OpenOffice provides a very powerful suite of Microsoft Office compatible applications, and it is free.

I'm sure Photoshop would be nice to have and I certainly wouldn't turn it down for free. But I'm a person of modest means and there's no way I can justify the cost of Photoshop for recreational use doing what I can otherwise do with free applications. If the day ever comes that my much beloved Paint Shop Pro becomes so antique I can no longer run it on a contemporary PC, I'll just have to bite the bullet and get further along the learning curve of GIMP.

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For me it is easier to work in TIFF format but PDF is the BEST way to save and share. I don't like/haven't learned that much about Photoshop but have been using Paintshop Pro 7 for 15 years.
I use Paintshop Pro 7 for the tiff work, then to PhotoShop 7 which I picked up on fleabay for $27 to save as PDF.
I have recently picked up Paintshop Pro X3 for $15 bucks on fleabay which will open a pdf file. Files can be saved as PSD which can be opened and then saved as PDF in Photoshop 7.
So I say let's keep the PDF format and use what we know/have/can get cheap to fiddle with the files to our hearts content.
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 02:08 PM
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Merry Christmas everyone and a Happy New Year!
Since joining this site it's been almost like Christmas every day. Thanks to EVERYONE who has made all this possible.
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 03:06 PM
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Giving it some thought, I do not think the pdf format is going anywhere. There is open source pdf code out there - http://sourceforge.net/directory/os:linux/?q=pdf - and sense it is used by most modern governments around the world for electronically distributing their documents and forms, any attempt to pull the format now would be an exercise in futility. The only way it would / could be replaced would be with something new that possessed a major leap in technology. At that point, someone would produce a batch converter that would make the transition 'a few mouse clicks' easy. In the end, I think the .pdf format is safe.

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Old Dec 23, 2011, 04:37 PM
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I also do plans work in bitmap format and archive master copies of my raw magazine plan scans and my finished plans as greyscale TIFFs. I use Paint Shop Pro 5.01 for the bitmap work, which I obtained free from Jasc back in the day as a gratuity for beta testing I did on it. My copy of Paint Shop Pro is circa 1998 and I am still able to run it under Windows 7.

But for publishing full size plans and taking them to the blueprint shop, there is no substitute for PDF format. I use OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 by Sun Microsystems with a PDF plug-in for importing my master TIFFs, scaling them, and exporting in PDF format. OpenOffice can also import PDFs and save them as bitmaps such as TIFF. OpenOffice provides a very powerful suite of Microsoft Office compatible applications, and it is free.

I'm sure Photoshop would be nice to have and I certainly wouldn't turn it down for free. But I'm a person of modest means and there's no way I can justify the cost of Photoshop for recreational use doing what I can otherwise do with free applications. If the day ever comes that my much beloved Paint Shop Pro becomes so antique I can no longer run it on a contemporary PC, I'll just have to bite the bullet and get further along the learning curve of GIMP.

Bob Keller
Open Office is looking more and more attractive as a MicroCrap alternative. I still use an official MS Office ver 2.0, which is the last one that didn't require an Authentication Code to install. As I replace computers and OS I reinstall it. Of course, it won't open or import a PDF file.

I too keep using PSP-5.01. I have newer versions also, but I don't like clicking into endless layers of options for a simple tool, so 5.01 gets the most use, as it is so easy to use. New doesn't always mean better...

Adobe Acrobat 4 will open most but not all PDF files, which I can save as a PNG for rescaling and editing. Opening newer CAD files isn't possible in
older AutoCad, either, so these PDF issues aren't unique. A Photoshop purchase is chicken feed compared to buying a newer AutoCad!

Since most everyone here is in lockstep on PDF and Photoshop, I'll continue to quietly download the files of interest and save them as PNG in my archive. I posted a few of my yellowed Aeromodeller plans as a PDF a while back but don't think I'll do that any more.

Yeah, looks like GIMP is great software, so I'll get it and see what's out there for a learning forum.

In support of PDF format, the local Staples will process a PDF file but can't open any bitmap, as the management denies the copy center access to any Windows/System 7 applets! I think they are using Acrobat Reader. The only caveat is that your PDF better be the original plan size, or youbetter know how much you want the print resized. I intend to ask Office Max and the other copy places in town about what they can and can't print for me, format-wise.

For printing on my home printer[s] I use 'PosteRazor', a freebie tile maker program that is very easy to use. My one disappointment with it is that it doesn't provide a dashed line border to easy cutting and pasting things together.

Sooo, I see that I need to investigate the various programs suggested in this forum and upgrade my software 'stable' accordingly.

- Erik
Old Dec 23, 2011, 05:29 PM
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Tutorial


I've finished and posted the 'Little Herbie' Photoshop tutorial now onto outerzone if that's of any interest. It's at http://www.outerzone.co.uk/tutorials/04/index.asp and shows dealing with blueprint style plans (invert) and some simple stitching together of plan sections with layers. Thanks again to pertime for the suggestion.

Ideally I'd love to see someone writing similar (mirrored?) tutorials for GIMP or PSP that I could post in parallel, that would be great. Then we'd have everything covered.
Old Dec 23, 2011, 07:26 PM
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 08:52 PM
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Two Sal Taibi designs from the Roland Friestad co-op.
Hi, Is there a tailplane drawing for the spacer? or have I missed something?
Old Dec 23, 2011, 08:56 PM
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Am a signwriter and I use corel X5 to open any type of file known.
Even the older (and cheaper) corel X3 will do to open most files.
You can then reduce /enlarge to ANY size you like.
Good investment for such a powerful tool. Have built many models to date.
Merry christmas to all who celebrate.
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Old Dec 23, 2011, 10:42 PM
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... Yeah, looks like GIMP is great software, so I'll get it and see what's out there for a learning forum... - Erik
Hi Erik,

Here's URLs for a couple of GIMP resources I've bookmarked for future reference:

Grokking the GIMP
http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html

Meet the GIMP!
http://blog.meetthegimp.org/table-of-contents/

If you're interested in learning GIMP hopefully these will be of some help to you in getting started.

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Old Dec 24, 2011, 12:17 AM
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Crusader.


I've been following Planeman's tutorial on how to use photoshop, and put this one togheter. The original Crusader tiled plan found here elsewhere had no scale or any measurements. All I did was stitch togheter the tiles and scale down the ones that were somehow a little large to had a perfect fit.

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Old Dec 24, 2011, 12:17 AM
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looking for detailed plan of wrightflyer showing dtails for controls including warping of wings for turn coupled with rudder. please help


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