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Mar 24, 2011, 01:59 PM
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Planeman, That plan is in much better shape than my Zilch-X.
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Mar 24, 2011, 03:16 PM
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Planeman, thanks so very much i have been looking for a usable copy of this for about five years. ed
Mar 24, 2011, 03:51 PM
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Outerzone - plans listing site

I was saying before that I want to build and host a free online listing of vintage plans in PDF format. Then I agreed with Bob and said I should stop waffling on about it, roll up my sleeves and get on and build it. If it doesnt work, if it's not popular and doesn't take off, that's not a disaster. At least I will have had a go at it.

Well, I have been tinkering away and project Outerzone is live now. If you are interested and want to take a look, the address is - this is very much a beta test. By which I mean the site is only half-built. I am keen to hear any feedback from users, though.

At this stage there is much to tidy up and to organise, there will be many bugs. but I'm hoping this is the beginning of something that is good.

Am interested to hear any thoughts. This will stand or fall on whether or not it does what people want it to do. Feedback will help a lot.

Mar 24, 2011, 04:14 PM
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Good looking website WMD

Mar 24, 2011, 04:28 PM
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Nice site,I will keep watching it.
Mar 24, 2011, 04:34 PM
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Looks like a good start to me WMD. Stay with it!
Mar 24, 2011, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JMP_blackfoot
I think the original article by Jim Saftig was in Model Airplane News February 1952 issue. Now to find the magazine...
Close - it was the Feb, 1953 MAN issue, page 14.

-Dave P.
Mar 24, 2011, 05:35 PM
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Here's the article and a full size pdf plan I worked up for Needlenose, a 20" span, Fox .59 powered circle burner designed by Wiz Pease and Cyril Shaw originally appearing in Model Aviation and (re)published in the December 1950 issue of Flying Models.

Bob Keller
Mar 24, 2011, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by old foamie
Does anybody have any plans of C E Bowden's work ? His early model aviation planes have nifty look to them, especially with there enlarged tails. You don't see much of them, any info or plans would be appreciated.
Col Bowden wrote lots of articles, his main interest seemed to be in petrol engines and later deisel. He had very few plans published in the Aeromodelling magazines. I have none of the original relevant magazines to see if the plans were complete and worth scanning.
So here is what I do have

Drone plan - 7ft span basically a picture of a replica that has been built but does give detailed 3 view with all dimensions so it would be possible to build
Contest Plan 60" span - This will have been scanned fron the 50year flasback articles in the 1990`s from a tiny picture so quality not tip top
Bowden Mouse - Article on reconstruction of the Bowden Mouse. Plan was 1/2 page so good copy.
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Mar 24, 2011, 07:29 PM
old foamie
Thanks! This is more than I had to work with. I had some poor resolution plans that where small and you couldn't enlarge them to see any detail.The Mouse was the first that took my eye, I guess I'm taken by the unusual.I have. a poor copy of the Hummingbird,Midget and one called Porlock Puffin. The last looks like one of his designs , but I'm not sure, again thank very much Aero.
Mar 24, 2011, 08:39 PM
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Never mind.
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Mar 24, 2011, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by WMD
Am interested to hear any thoughts. This will stand or fall on whether or not it does what people want it to do. Feedback will help a lot.
Hi Steve,

Looks to me like you're off to a proper start with your plans site. The databased approach is most definitely the way to go about it. I think your beta classification scheme could use finer breakouts as to model type, so if a user wants to search for say Wakefields or Moffetts only, the database supports it. But you're already aware of the need for that, and it's something you can do on the fly as you're adding plans.

I'm currently using a 3-tiered scheme for classifying and organizing plans, so it's something like free-flight.rubber.wakefield or or radio.glider.two-meter. Not everything fits the 3-tiered scheme so neatly, but it certainly beats the big unclassified pile that I started with...

Non-topical banners and advertisements are just plain annoying, so using 3rd party sites to host the plan files is a less than optimal approach. I understand your reasons for parking them elsewhere, but all else equal I think a plans site that directly hosts the plans files is going to have the edge in appeal.

Congrats on taking the plunge and good work so far. is now linked in on the links page at as a plans source...

Bob Keller
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Mar 25, 2011, 12:46 AM
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Thought I'd have some fun since I'm feeling like dog - well! So, I took this and created a cut file.
Mar 25, 2011, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by WMD
Am interested to hear any thoughts. This will stand or fall on whether or not it does what people want it to do. Feedback will help a lot.

If this thread is anything to go by, then it should be a winner. Good work, fella!
Mar 25, 2011, 03:12 PM
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I am trying to locate copies of the plans done by:
1) Vern Clements - Gee Bee Z and the R1 & R2.
2) R.S.Hirsch - The entire Gee-Bee series of 1965-6.

Can anyone help me with getting copies / scans of these old plans ?
Any info would be appreciated.

Sorry Airwolf, I cant find the requested plans .

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