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Old Jun 01, 2010, 08:02 AM
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Peter Rake 1:8 Ansaldo A1 'Balilla'


No - I'm not starting this just yet! Just letting anyone interested know that at some time in the future, I'll be building a 'little' model - the Ansoldo (or Ansaldo) A1 'Balilla'. This diminutive little Italian fighter caught my eye because of its potential for an extravagent paint scheme! With polished aluminium, Varnish wood fuselage, red/white/green wing undersides, hand-painted camoflage and exotic squadron markings, it would be a eyecatching little model. At 1/8 scale, it spans a mere 37 1/2 inches but with enough ribs and subribs to give a SPAD a fright, and a wierdly shaped fuselage that probably gave Peter Rake a headache, she is an interesting little beast. Add to that the strange aileron linkage and we have something I couldn't resist.

Manzano's short kit has 15 sheets of ply, liteply, bass and balsa parts - quite a handful for a small model!

With a SPAD, Hurricane and F2b as current builds this one will be a while starting. But then I have just enlarged my work space...................

Pat
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Old Jun 01, 2010, 09:08 AM
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Yeah, there are rather a lot of parts to this one. I just couldn't see a better way of producing an accurate fuselage other than use keel parts and build it as two shells. Combined with the number of ribs/sub ribs, I doubt that this one will come into the 'lightweight floater' class.

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Old Jun 01, 2010, 09:20 AM
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Ballila A.1


Pat, do you have the Datafile on the Ballila? Lots of info in thier-if you need more data I'll be happy to help. Also, I know one of the gentlemen that helped restore the original at the Bergamo Museum in Milano. He is very knowledable on this aircraft & most helpful.

Kind regards,
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Old Jun 01, 2010, 12:14 PM
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Should be a lovely model, Pat - 30 colour schemes on the Wings Palette site here;

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww1/f/49

Schemes from Greece/Italy/Latvia/Mexico/Poland/Russia...should be something you like in that lot.

Pete seems to be in 'Italian' mood, what with this and the Macchi...wonder if he listens to opera as he's CADing away?? I still prefer a little Motorhead myself.
Old Jun 01, 2010, 12:49 PM
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Is there any such thing as a little Motorhead mate?
I find them, ans Sabbath quite inspirational - in between the bouts of headbanging. Maybe that's why this one looks heavy.
Old Jun 01, 2010, 03:24 PM
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With polished aluminium,...
I don't understand. If it is an Italian plane, why did the use aluminum form Poland.

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Old Jun 01, 2010, 03:35 PM
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I don't understand. If it is an Italian plane, why did the use aluminum form Poland.

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I think it means the aluminum/aluminium was formed to sounds polka music while eating great quantities of sausage and drinking large mugs of beer. This particular treatment results in happy metal, well disposed to engaging in "dog fights" and other acrobatic "maneuvers."

Now, why the Italians used such a non-native treatment is still a poser, but metal formed to opera, pasta and wine in the same amounts tends to make a more sedate, relaxed metal. Maybe that's why?

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Old Jun 01, 2010, 05:24 PM
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I think it means the aluminum/aluminium was formed to sounds polka music while eating great quantities of sausage and drinking large mugs of beer. This particular treatment results in happy metal, well disposed to engaging in "dog fights" and other acrobatic "maneuvers."

Now, why the Italians used such a non-native treatment is still a poser, but metal formed to opera, pasta and wine in the same amounts tends to make a more sedate, relaxed metal. Maybe that's why?

James
That's quite a polished piece of narrative James.....

Dale - yes I have that Data file and the restored machine is the one that caught my eye. The only marking I can't make out properly is the big 'badges' on the top of the lower wings. More research needed..

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Old Jun 01, 2010, 11:43 PM
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I wonder if Callie can do that kind of artwork?

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Old Jun 02, 2010, 12:32 AM
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A Colouful Little Beast


I'm sure she could Martin although the original looks rather 'handpainted' but doing three of these wonderful emblems could be a chore - decals?

Pat
Old Jun 02, 2010, 01:27 AM
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This plane has a sort of SE5-A ish look to the front end, I like that.
Old Jun 02, 2010, 08:22 AM
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Pat, the Ansaldo has doubled flying AND landing wires. They appear to have wood filler strips and are taped together over their full length. That would make dismantling a large scale version a PITA - good thing yours is a 1/8 version that would be one piece.
As for the painting - I have wondered what a local art student or other "starving artist" would charge to do the painting.

Martin (with a 1/4 scale version plan half drawn)
Old Jun 05, 2010, 11:50 PM
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I couldn't resist.....


Thanks for that Martin - I'll try and find a way to simulate the look.

With only three (or four or ...six) other projects on the go or on hold, and while waiting for some stuff to dry, the Ansaldo A1 was started

The design is quite Italianate with plenty of curves and potential difficulties but if treated carefully shouldn't be too demanding.

Since my interest in this model was sparked by an outlandish colour scheme, I decided that it would be a simple-ish build low on detail but high on finish. Peter has designed the fuselage to have optional 1/32 balsa covering the entire fuselage or presumably it can be covered in your favourite tissue/film etc. So when my LHS got some 1/32 balsa (rare in Oz) by mistake, it was immediately sorted through for some sheets with a nice grain - not too soft so it should stain nicely.

The first task on this curvy fuselage is to pre-bend some longerons. Since I'll be cladding it, semi-hard balsa will do - use hard if covering with tissue etc. Pieces of 1/8 sq were stripped from a 48" sheet - two lengths are enough for the 4 longerons and these were given a thorough soaking with water (plus a drop of detergent as a wetting agent) before being pinned over the plan, protected with cling film.

The fuselage is made from left and right halves - otherwise building might have been tricky without jigs. A question for Peter - would there be any advantage to skin the fuselage sides while the halves are still pinned to the board?

Since this will take over-night to dry, dont expect too much too soon

Pat
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Old Jun 06, 2010, 05:37 AM
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Pat,
Although the fuselage should be pretty rigid once joined, it couldn't do any harm to skin the sides while they're held, warp resistant, pinned to the board.

This shot is probably about as good as it gets for rigging detail. Not a bad view of the wing art too.

You've probably seen this, but lots of helpful stuff.
http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Ita/Ansaldo/

Pete


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