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Old May 12, 2003, 10:49 PM
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Oh No-Here we go again!


The wires are carrying a new story-there have been 3 terror bombings in Saudi Arabia. Apparently the targets were compounds in a gated community for western corporate exec types. The bulk are said to be Brits and French, but that Americans lived there too. There are 3 dead and more than 50 wounded at present.

Well, what next?

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Old May 12, 2003, 11:36 PM
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Reminded me of the time the Puerto Rican terrorists bombed the Mobil headquarters in NY City the day after I had a visited there. One killed as I recall. Clinton pardoned all of the bombers on his last day.
Old May 12, 2003, 11:41 PM
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Don't take this the wrong way. There's no way that I support such a terrorist act.

But...

What else did you expect to happen next? Such an attack was inevitable. Those opposed to American imperialism have little option. They either fight back the only way they can or they knuckle under. British experience in Ireland, Jewish experience in Palestine and Spanish experience in the Basque region should have prepared the world for this attack.

There will be many more. I wonder where the next one will be?
Old May 13, 2003, 12:38 AM
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Such an attack was inevitable. Those opposed to American imperialism have little option. They either fight back the only way they can or they knuckle under.
I'm opposed to Canadian imperialism. What do you recommend?

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Old May 13, 2003, 03:01 AM
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First you villanise them, constantly and remorselessly. In this process you make an ironclad case (with supporting powerpoint presentation) that they are supporters of terrorisim and that with their weapons they pose a real and lasting threat to your way of life, then you bomb them back to the stone age. Easy as that.

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Old May 13, 2003, 09:19 AM
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First you villanise them, constantly and remorselessly. In this process you make an ironclad case (with supporting powerpoint presentation) that they are supporters of terrorisim and that with their weapons they pose a real and lasting threat to your way of life, then you bomb them back to the stone age. Easy as that.
What else do you expect to happen next? Such a response is inevitable. Those dedicated to defending American security have little option. They either deter terrorism the only way they can or they knuckle under. British actions in the Falklands, UN actions in the Balkans, and American actions in Afganistan and Iraq have prepared the world for this response.
Old May 13, 2003, 10:32 AM
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There will be many more. I wonder where the next one will be?
Calgary, Canada. Perhaps then you'll get it.
Old May 13, 2003, 10:48 AM
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The few allies we didnt alienate in the runup to war will now be targeted in a divide and conquer tactic. These attacks will remain for a time on foreign soil. When our allies worried about this, we poopooed them. They had a right to discuss what effect our actions would have on them.Eventually it will land here again. I feel safer already.
Old May 13, 2003, 10:48 AM
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Calgary, Canada. Perhaps then you'll get it.
Oh. I get it alright. But you know what? There won't be any attacks in Canada.
Old May 13, 2003, 10:52 AM
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Oh. I get it alright. But you know what? There won't be any attacks in Canada.
yeah, you are probably right. Canada isn't relevant on the international level.
Old May 13, 2003, 10:53 AM
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Who are you kidding? Your a westerner, and an ally of the USA, supposedly.
For a terrorist though, why strike Canada when the holy grail of everything western is a few miles south.

The attitude of, "they wont attack us, so we don't care", is a prime reason we snubbed the UN and everyone else who would not help us.

Im going to save your post, print it out, so the day when they DO attack you, I can remind you.
Old May 13, 2003, 11:44 AM
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Canada will never be attacked as they are the open gateway to immigrant terrorists everywhere who can then filter across the border into the US. Even terrorists don't want to bite the hand that feeds them!
Old May 13, 2003, 12:48 PM
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Dave, do you feel that the US is to blame for these attacks? And, if so, how do you differentiate that feeling from "supporting" the attacks?

Also, you said:

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Those opposed to American imperialism have little option. They either fight back the only way they can or they knuckle under.
To which I replied:

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I'm opposed to Canadian imperialism. What do you recommend?
I'd like to see if you can be consistent and agree that if terrorism is the only option for people opposed to the US then it must be the only option for people opposed to Canada and any other nation that involves itself in world politics and/or commerce.

Also, you say an attack will not occur in Canada. That is absurd. Osama bin Laden has directly threatened Canada.

Osama isn't fair. He doesn't hate the US for a good reason. He doesn't hate Canada for a good reason. The people following Osama are not LOGICAL or JUST. They are not acting against the west as a last resort. They are doing it to preserve a fanatical religious system that will resist westernization and democracy until it is finally defeated.

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Old May 13, 2003, 12:54 PM
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.... They are doing it to preserve a fanatical religious system that will resist westernization and democracy until it is finally defeated.

Jim
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This is wrong.
These groups will resist FOREVER!
The only way to eliminate the threat is to eliminate the mindset that sees things the way these people do.
That is impossible!
Old May 13, 2003, 12:55 PM
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>> Those opposed to American imperialism have little option.

Imperialism: The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.

A good example of imperialism would be the attempt by Iraq to acquire by force and absorb the territory of Kuwait.

It's obvious that the US is not out to acquire territory, or we would have started with the easiest and grabbed the lightly protected land to our north. And you certainly don't establish economic and political hegemony over other nations by encouraging the establishment of independent, democratic governments.

So whenever I hear anyone talking about "American imperialism," I know that someone has either misspoken or else they are representing a radical viewpoint that seeks to discredit the US by applying negative labels that do not by definition fit.
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