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Sep 17, 2009, 01:35 AM
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The Ghost Fleet of the Recession

Very interesting read!

Daily Mail's - The Ghost Fleet Recession Anchored Off Singapore

The biggest and most secretive gathering of ships in maritime history lies at anchor east of Singapore. Never before photographed, it is bigger than the U.S. and British navies combined but has no crew, no cargo and no destination - and is why your Christmas stocking may be on the light side this year.
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Sep 17, 2009, 05:09 AM
Mmm, tugs...
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Hmmm, could use them as storage for my unbuilt models...
Sep 17, 2009, 06:15 AM
Mmm, tugs...
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Another recession cost: Many of us who are still employed are working extra time (ugh, no extra money!)... this year, I have not floated one boat, and the boatyard activities have ground to a total halt...
Sep 17, 2009, 07:29 AM
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wonder how many of them are registered in Panama and Liberia? (two favorites for lax regulations on safety and low taxes)
Sep 17, 2009, 07:40 AM
"day ain't over yet-"
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This is certainly an eye-opener---. All those cargo ships parked and sitting empty, translates to a lot of lost jobs---.

Pat, you should feel fortunate that you're still working, but then, Ford seems to be doing well, having not taken any of that bailout money---.

Don from Loyalhanna just returned to work at a new job, after being idle for 5 months, so work is starting to appear.
Sep 17, 2009, 07:54 AM
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But the head of the Fed says the recession is over?!?!

Sep 17, 2009, 07:59 AM
"day ain't over yet-"
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Yes, they did say that, didn't they---?

I have some land in Florida you should buy---.

(don't step on that log, it may bite you---)
Sep 17, 2009, 08:50 AM
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I read an article by the American Bureau of Shipping the other day and they have a major concern with these idle ships. It being the electronics aboard a idle ship may cause problems when they are brought back on line....too much moisture if the a/c units are not running.
Sep 17, 2009, 12:08 PM
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Now that the Muslim terrorists know where to find a big fat target.........
Sep 17, 2009, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kmot
Now that the Muslim terrorists know where to find a big fat target.........
Target... How unimaginative....
More like a place to find the latest mobile harbor IED.

That, is why this place was being kept secret..
Sep 17, 2009, 01:48 PM
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These idle ships may suddenly start sinking. I doubt that many shipping companies can keep steam up on all those ships while they stay idle. However it may be an opportunity for an enterprising company to start lightering fuel oil around to all those ships while they are still running generators ect. Grocerys too for the crews that are still aboard. And new ships ordered 2-3 years ago just now coming off the ways. That's a lot of money and a lot of shipd just laying around with nothing to do. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.
I don't think terrorists would be too interested in blowing up empty ships. However some ship owners may be hiring terrorists to do just that for the insurance. Pete
Sep 17, 2009, 01:56 PM
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This not such new news as the mariners around here have noticed a large decrease in shipping traffic from over seas with most comming over here half full and returning empty. The resecion is far from over and we will all be riminded come the holliday season how far into it we really are.
Sep 17, 2009, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by norgale


I don't think terrorists would be too interested in blowing up empty ships. However some ship owners may be hiring terrorists to do just that for the insurance. Pete
Depends on where the "empty" ship is, when it explodes...

Hijacked planes is ho hum.... Hijacked planes crashing into buildings is earth shattering.
Sep 17, 2009, 05:19 PM
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The recesion, or to be honest depresion, as such is over. European, Asian and US economic indicater show this.
But there is always the little problem with employment.
As a standard rule, employement lags always 2 years behind a positif economical development.
For smal or medium busineses that depend on wages spend 2009 and to the middle to 3/4 quarter of 2010 will be very tough, last man standing.
In the next year maybe 2 we will see a rash of small busineses going out of business.

That fleet will grow, because the standard of 2006 or 07 is years away and till than those ships are schrott
Sep 17, 2009, 05:35 PM
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If the 'bad guys' had wanted, were capable or had a need for taking one of those ships, they would have done it a Looooooong time ago.

The people the "powers that be" don't want knowing about those ships is US, the general population, because as the article says "The world's ship owners and government economists would prefer you not to see this symbol of the depths of the plague still crippling the world's economies."

The 'bad guys' KNOW the ships are there and have known probably long before they started building up in large numbers; that area has so many insurgencies, including a number associated with Al-Qaeda, that you probably can't throw a rock twice without hitting a guerrilla. Successful insurgencies / terrorist groups (any of them that lasts for more than a few years in the uber-Darwinian environment of insurgency/counter-insurgency) will have a fairly good intelligence apparatus on the ground, at least locally as well as at least informal ties to pan-national groups. So it is definitely NOT about keeping the information away from terrorists.

It is about keeping the information that all this talk about a recovery on a popular level, not just a boardroom level, is so much smoke up our collective backsides. It contradicts all the statements that things are turning around; can't have that can we? Can't have Bernanke or Gordan Brown looking like ...
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