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Jan 12, 2010, 10:47 AM
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I notice that there is not a Bunt in there as well. Bunt is an outside loop. but you push down instead of up.
My version has a couple of bunts in there, they are just in the vertical plane though.
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Jan 13, 2010, 09:08 AM
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I'm taking the day off from the slope R1 debate. I've just about finished the TD advanced re-write and plan to get it done and off to Joe for his approval.
I do plan to draw up a new routine in the next couple of days. I plan to draw it out on the "big board" at home, take a picture and post it so everyone can get a better idea of what it will look like. I will be adding a lot of new things to it as well. It will be harder and more involved. One thing I need to know. How large of a flight box can I safely use? For those I just lost: a flight box is an imaginary 3 dimentional box that you fly in. I know it's slope/weather dependant but what can I safely use to get me in the ball park? length, depth, height I'm actually concerned most with depth. (distance out from slope) I would like to be able to make some stuff go across the box at some point. Thanks.
Jan 13, 2010, 10:55 AM
launch height can't fix stupid
I would start by assuming a 100 meter square box, oriented as you look out from the slope. Should be doable across the face of the slope, and have the height centered at where you stand.

Depth is much trickier. I would try to keep that fairly small, like 25ish meter max. A bit more if the box comes right up to the person flying.
Jan 13, 2010, 12:48 PM
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Thanks Cory.
Jan 20, 2010, 07:17 AM
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Slope is a real pain. I'm starting to wish I would have just left it out. I'm grinning and bearing it though and I think I'm finally getting a handle on what's wanted. At least I think I am. It sure ain't easy trying to make everyone happy.
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On a personal note. I haven't been on lately due to a close friend's passing. Cancer took her fast, hard and quite painfully at a young age. I also found out yesterday that one of my oldest friends has had both kidneys fail. It seems the world is falling apart around here lately. I'm still trying to get things done as fast as I can. Please understand that my time is limited a bit right now. I'm working as hard as I can. -Steve-
Jan 20, 2010, 08:46 AM
launch height can't fix stupid
Don't worry about us. Looks like you have your priorities right. If you need any help, let us know. And quit trying to make everyone happy 'cause it ain't gunna happen.
Jan 22, 2010, 07:48 AM
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It was brought to my attention that having "routines" in the second level of the program was expecting a bit much for beginners. So of course I've been mulling it over as I do all suggestions and I think what we need to do is use the aerobatics platform for the Bronze and Silver levels. We can then use the skills learned in the Bronze and Silver levels to do a simple routine in the last part of Silver level (possibly) and then in advanced levels. I do think that a time limit and possibly landing requirement be imposed. It does make sense. I was just getting the cart ahead of the horse. It's easy to do when you already fly. It doesn't help that I'm dealing with 8 levels at once as well. This means that I'll be adding some aerobatic sets (A1-A?) and then we'll deal with Routines (R1-R?) later as needed. Here's what I have for aerobatics. I would like to add knife edge turns, 1 1/2 snaps, and the Humpty bump to A3. By Silver the bar should be raised as it's the final level for the main program. Sound good?
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Jan 23, 2010, 09:54 AM
launch height can't fix stupid
Sure, boss. What is the bronze level going to do for that last task? Just keep the G&R with the TD or Slope option?
Jan 24, 2010, 06:27 AM
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I was thinking I would add the rest of the basic aerobatic moves and then some linked moves all in an allotted time. This finishes most of the basic aerobatic moves and starts prepping the new guys for routines. Should be easy enough for the new guys and still an effort for the more experienced guys as well. It would be like taking the passes from a routine and breaking them into just one pass at a time, not linking the whole routine together. They could then do the passes in any order. Each pass would basically become a sub-task in the set. Make sense? Silver can then have them all linked into one routine. It's a good progression.
Jan 24, 2010, 09:01 AM
launch height can't fix stupid
Makes sense to me.

I am in the middle of building my slope aerobat and looking forward to giving this a try. Of course I also plan on doing most of the other side as well.
Jan 26, 2010, 11:26 AM
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I'm still plugging away. There's no way to get this exactly even compared to the thermal duration side. However, I'm happy with this new approach. A4 isn't done of course. I just wanted to get everyones reactions before putting too much time in it just to possible throw it out. The two final slope task sets are re-done to show the new task sets. Silver would then include landings, timed flight w/A4, Laps (F3F or similar), limbo, ladder, R1, and either R2 or DS laps in a set time. This will complete the main program and then the advanced slope stuff is all that is left as we have the advanced TD pretty much sorted out already. As far as slope goes. This puts things on a better learning curve. You learn the maneuvers individually, then link them a couple, then 3 at a time in a pass, then put all the passes together to make a routine. The linked sets can be in any order as long as the link itself is done as listed. A routine will of course be done as it's written.
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Jan 26, 2010, 05:57 PM
launch height can't fix stupid
Looks do-able and consistent with what you want the program to do. Are you planning on spelling out the manuevers or pointing them to where to find the definitions?
Jan 26, 2010, 06:04 PM
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I think pointing them to a good source, at least for now. My workload is all I can take right now. There's plenty of info right here on R/C Groups to tell them how to do maneuvers. The link to aresti made simple on our site is a good read and will help them as well when we start mapping things out as well. I find the visual of aresti makes life so much easier. When people "see" what you're saying it seems to make more sense to them.
Jan 26, 2010, 08:33 PM
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Great. So when can we start?
Jan 27, 2010, 07:36 AM
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Great. So when can we start?
Right now.
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Guys,
I'm sorry the re-write has taken as long as it has. Life sometimes gets in the way of play.
With so many people wanting the program to go in different directions we constantly have to find the middle ground. This is what we've come up with and hopefully it will satisfy as many as possible. There will be no more changes to Bronze. This is it's final version. Thank you for your patience and support. The main program should be able to be finished in short order now that we have an idea where slope is going.
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This message has been sent via e-mail to everyone working on bronze level along with your new form. Anything that you have done already just transfer over to the new form or include the old form with the new one when you send it in. Hopefully the re-write to put the "this or that" style and slope back in the program, along with dividing the program up into three parts was worth the extra work and wait. If you feel the main program is a bit easy, wait until you see the advanced course. We plan to get back to what we wanted to see originally. The workload is going to get MUCH harder and more involved. After much thought and consideration, Joe and I agreed that this would actually make for a more rounded program. It was a tough choice to go back so far and start over though. We hope you all like it.


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