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Posted by old4570 | Yesterday @ 05:44 PM | 1,208 Views
XK x450 maiden (5 min 59 sec)

A) Battery is all the way forward = Excellent hover !
B) In level flight the x450 hunts the ground
C) Transition is insanely smooth
D) The only thing I can complain about is the x450 hunting the ground in level flight .
E) Flies slower than expected in level flight
F) The altitude hold is really good ( Hover Mode )

When I came home I gave the elevon connectors two turns of up .. The other option is to change the angle of the motors in level flight ( Maybe ) or the position of the battery perhaps . ( Change one thing at a time ) Battery voltage was about 3.94v per cell when I came home and put the battery on the charger . Looks like 5 minutes with the supplied battery should be safe , maybe more depending on how you fly it .
I am impressed , and if not for the ground hunting I would have given this one a 10 out of 10 , as is the score will be 9 out of 10 . Also if not for the ground hunting on my sample , I would call the x450 the perfect beginners plane .

I got mine from BG for $99.99 USD and it looks to still be at that price ..
Posted by old4570 | Jan 25, 2020 @ 07:55 PM | 3,927 Views
Posted by old4570 | Jan 25, 2020 @ 12:22 AM | 4,472 Views
Brushed 450x Wing update (1 min 57 sec)

Right !!! Lets see ..

Soldered on a battery lead and a motor lead / plug for the hot little brushed 8520 .
Motor seems to run ok , servos look to work ..

This Rx / ESC combo might be sweet for that micro brushed project .

Next I need some control rods and then maybe I can go fly ?
Posted by old4570 | Jan 24, 2020 @ 07:27 AM | 6,322 Views
XK A600 , gone in 60 seconds . (1 min 4 sec)

I seem to have found a serious problem ..
Playing with the XK A600 after repairs and watching this video ..
It would seem that the XK A600 kicks in left rudder when the plane is in certain orientation ..

One second I am fighting to keep control and the next it is flying ok , then suddenly it goes weird on me again .
I can only put it down to the plane suddenly kicking in full left rudder for some reason .

WOW ! So my last 4 planes have been horribly disappointing .

DLG glider with a warped wing .
XK A600
and a Stagger Wing biplane that was killed for exactly the same cause as my DLG ( Hard left turn built in )
Damn ..
Out of 6 new planes , 4 have been bad to terrible .

Back to the XK A600 ..
Perhaps part of the problem is that XK may have used a helicopter flight board ... (?)
Do we really need a gyro on the rudder ?
I have no choice , I have had to unplug the rudder servo ..

The XK A600 did fly like a normal RC plane , well a little bit ! The rest of the time I was fighting to keep it away from terrafirma .
Yeah , well the XK A600 Won in the end and it slammed the ground hard enough to break the wing .

Next outing !
No rudder , and a little bit of lead in the nose ..
Posted by old4570 | Jan 23, 2020 @ 07:32 PM | 6,067 Views
OMPHobby T720 RTF (12 min 25 sec)

I purchased a second hand T720 from a well know modeller ..
And having watched his video's I noted something of interest , he was flying and lost an aileron .

Long story short , that T720 ended up being for sale ! Yeah , can you guess who got it ? ..

Anyways !

I remembered that tit bit from the video !
Assembling the T720 , I checked the wings !
And found the right wing rocked back and forth enough for the control lever in the fuse to pop out of the aileron slot !
On close examination , the PLASTIC spar was broken ( See Pictures ) ..
From the way it was broken ( direction ) , I would hazard a guess it may have occurred when the wings were pulled out of the fuse or ............
If the T720 hit the ground and the wing popped out and then force was put on the spar when the wing was hanging lose ...
It's all speculation !

I hit the break with some cyno and it looked to hold well . To add strength I cut some inserts and glued them inside the spar for added strength top and bottom , .... See Pictures .

I like the modular design !
Unfortunately , every last video review I have seen :
The wings or elevators pop off on landing .
I don't think I have seen a single video where this did not happen ..

Anyways , hopefully a simple repair and a functioning toy .
Posted by old4570 | Jan 21, 2020 @ 06:40 PM | 8,224 Views
The XK A600 = Bag of Fertiliser !

Hmmmm ! Opening the box !

It is light , reasonably made .

BUTT and it's a huge BUTT ( Bigger than that )

The Tx is garbage ,,

Moving the sticks you go from no control surface movement to suddenly all the control surface movement

Oh dear ! I had a real bad feeling going to my CG test area ...

And that bad feeling was confirmed when I crashed the XK A600 over and over again failing to achieve anything near 10 seconds of flight time . Don't get me wrong , the XK A600 flew just fine in a straight line . But when you wanted to turn it just hunted Terrafirma . This is exactly the same issue as I had with the XK A800 with the factory Tx , only the XK A600 is like 10 times worse .

After sufficiently breaking the XK A600 to the point that I was left with no delusions about being able to fly the XK A600 I packed the broken parts into a pocket and headed home . ( Some foam bits were left behind ) ..
Conclusion = PITA ( Pain In The Asp )

Pictured is the XK A600 after repairs ...

Enter the Dragon ! ( Sorry no , just the Jumper T12 )

Jumper T12 and SFHSS ( Futaba Protocol )

Thankfully the bind process is relatively Painless !
The Rx board has a button on its side ..
Just power up the XK A600 and then push the button ( Max )
Now start the bind process in the Tx ( SFHSS ) Multi protocol or Futaba .

Thing to remember is = The XK transmitters send out a bind signal on start up ..
So every time you...Continue Reading
Posted by old4570 | Jan 20, 2020 @ 07:16 PM | 8,818 Views
1) VD5M FrSky Rx ...

Ok , it was working ... Then it stopped working !
I purchased this Rx about 2 years ago and left it in a box .
Honestly , last few years I have had nothing but issues with FrSky receivers ..
So my SU-27 project has taken several steps backward because of this receiver .
I literally had to break the SU-27 to get the receiver out for test and evaluation .
It could be FUBAR or it could be something as simple as frequency offset .
I am replacing the Rx with something similar but DSMx .. ( No issues with DSMx )

2) Fly Bear F16 ...

FX-823 Stabilized Two Channel RC Thunderbirds F-16 Fighter Jet Flight Test Review (10 min 37 sec)

No no no ! I got the free flight version .
And hope to make it RC ..
The F16 Project = It's the same foam model less the toy Rc stuff ..

3) Got some more props in the mail ..

4) XT60 to XT30 converter plug came , now I can charge the battery for the XK X450 safely ..
No more risky business ..
Posted by old4570 | Jan 19, 2020 @ 09:40 PM | 8,852 Views

Product Link > https://www.banggood.com/custlink/DKvmNnHnlc

This is a really small Rx ( FS2A Flysky protocol - thats the new flysky protocol , not the old 9x protocol ) = To be tested !
Mine measures some 18.7mm Long and 11.8mm wide .. ( It really is small )
Has a ? is it 4A or 5A brushed ESC built in .
Has solder pads for battery and brushed motor , or you can run VIA ESC source .. ( 5v Max )
Apparently you can have your cake and eat it !

This Rx is going into the brushed 450x flying wing ..
So hopefully some useful information shortly .
Posted by old4570 | Jan 17, 2020 @ 01:19 AM | 6,695 Views
Gemfan RotorX 2535 ( Test ) to 30,000 rpm (3 min 15 sec)

Gemfan RotorX 2535 test to 30,000 rpm
This prop is a 2 piece 4 blade ... ( No really )
Interesting , apparently can be run in 4 blade mode or 2 blade .. ( I tried both ways in the video )

Brushless Su-27 is being glued together ..

( I did post some printable 3 views of the parts needed for a DIY )
Posted by old4570 | Jan 14, 2020 @ 11:46 PM | 6,299 Views
Micro Su-27 Brushless Project .

Projected weight = ? ( No idea )
The little 08026 on 1s puts out some 42 grams of thrust @ around 25,000 rpm .
So as long as the completed flying weight is under 42 grams , I can be a happy camper .
So far pilling everything onto my scales I get 23.7 grams ( missing one servo ) .
But there will be trimming involved to shorten wires and reduce weight ( so ??? ) .
The first one with the F949 flight control board and brushed 10mm motor came out at 32.6 grams flying weight .
So there might be some hope ..
Posted by old4570 | Jan 14, 2020 @ 07:45 PM | 6,181 Views
VD5M FrSky 5ch Rx (0 min 37 sec)

I have had this receiver on hand for ? Almost 2 years maybe and never got around to using it .
With my recent interest in Micro Su-27's , I thought it might be time to blow the dust off this Micro Rx and give it a go .
I have some small servos , and I have some 1s ESC's ..
And I have some small brushless motors that are 1s capable if not 1s ..

Anyhow .. I have not seen much info on this Rx ...

Ch2 and Ch5 = D8 ... Use the bind plug to connect .. I put power into Ch3

The Rx will go into bind mode when power is added ...
Have your Tx in bind mode or put it into bind mode ..
For me the bind was so fast I never saw it ..
I removed the bind plug and added a micro servo and it looks to work just fine ..
Power is VIA a 1s ESC ...

This Rx apparently can do V8 mode ( Ch1 and Ch5 ) , but I could not get a bind ..
Maybe some frequency offset ?

Anyhow , will probably use this Rx for my next Micro Su-27 build . It will give me more aileron ! ( Than the F949 board )
Now , what motor to use ?
Posted by old4570 | Jan 12, 2020 @ 11:11 PM | 3,385 Views
Volantex Decathlon With landing gear ( 44mm Wheels ) (18 min 17 sec)

Chalk and cheese folks !


It flies so much better after some tweaking . + Those 44mm wheels ....
Though they are not enough ..
The very last landing ripped the landing gear out of the fuse because the wheels caught on something ..
So while the 44's are a nice replacement ? It still needs more ...
I dont know if those 60mm wheels will fit ( width ) . But it looks like larger wheels are wanted and some serious thought into strengthening the slot the gear goes into . The UHU glue did not let go ( glue I used for repairs ) , what happened is the plastic gear retainer was ripped out of the surrounding foam ! ( The foam let go ) This tells me 2 things ..
1) It is a weak spot ( landing gear slot )
2) The wheels are too small ( catch in the grass )

Centring ! ...........

Still giving issue ! So looks like the servos are also how do you do .. BUTT and it might be a huge butt !
It might be a voltage issue ?

Came home , charged the battery and everything seems to centre normally ?
Is it a Voltage issue ???? Voltage drops and centring becomes so so ?
Maybe use it as a low battery warning ?

Landing gear slot ( plastic ) glued in place again !
There was a slight tendency to roll left , so I made a slight aileron tweak to the right aileron ..
Elevator is back to the original position , but might need a little down ..

the 6x4 prop...Continue Reading
Posted by old4570 | Jan 11, 2020 @ 10:42 PM | 3,382 Views
Cut out the bits for another Micro Su-27 ..
The main Wing part has been laminated top and bottom .
Dont know that I will bother with the other parts .

I need to do some tests , to see how this one will be powered ..
Brushed or brushless and 1s or 2s ..

Stuff on order !

Props ...


Rx ...

DSM2 4ch
Flysky flight control board ( this be interesting )

Stuff ...

63mm wheels
8520 brushed motor ( same as in my 450x wing ) This be a hot little motor !
LCD volt meter
M50 brushed motors
Drill bits ( small )
Small drill chuck
Mini hand drill
Multi meter test probes ( my old ones broke )
A foam F16 - Hope its not bent ..
JST connectors .

Posted by old4570 | Jan 09, 2020 @ 05:18 PM | 2,149 Views

I spy with my eye ! A very interesting receiver board ! ( https://www.banggood.com/custlink/3GvmbjAGAL )
@ 3.5g , this could be very interesting for micro flyers .

Hmmm , still cant get used to the new decade .. It is how ever 2020 , just feels a lot like 2019 . ( Same 0 same 0 )

I did some templates for the little micro Su-27 - 2 sheets of printer paper .
Just print them out , join the 2 sheets .
Cut out the templates and then transfer to your choice of material ..

Balsa / Foam / Depron ...

The Decathlon is now waiting for some 60mm wheels ..
Plan is to bend the landing gear forward some as they sit almost @ CG .. ( Lets move some weight forward ) Also to stop any tendency to tip forward . Having the landing gear near CG is just monumental ( something ) .
Also the 30mm wheels are almost useless . Acting more like an arestor hook than wheels , especially on grass .
I might go out one more time to see how the changes I made ( trim ) affect the decat .

So far , this is in no way shape or form a beginners model ( not by my sample ) . It is how ever @ PITA .....

Still waiting on stuff ordered in 2019 , come on , I ordered that stuff last decade !!!


Some 44mm wheels came in the post ..
The 44mm Wheels dwarf the 30mm wheels ..
I really think this model could use 60mm Wheels ..
Will see if the 60mm will fit when they get here ..
For now I will leave the 44mm wheels on the Decat .
Also bent the legs forward a little ...
Posted by old4570 | Jan 08, 2020 @ 08:33 PM | 2,794 Views
Decathlon with DSM2 Rx and Taranis Qx7 Tx (7 min 40 sec)

Prop is garbage = Old junk Quad prop ( budget quad ) . But it works well enough .
Did not want to risk a real prop !

Tx = Taranis Qx7 with multi protocol module .
Rx = DSM2 6ch I had lying around .

Wow , Decat still pulling up up and away ...
Took all the down trim the Tx trim pots had to offer ..
Model is still turning left .
Last hand launch and the Decat almost fly's well .
Running with a larger heavier battery .
Decat does not like the breeze / wind ... ( Some of that might be the rubbish prop )

Came home and made some changes .. Do I wait for new wheels ? ( Will probably shift the CG forward a little )

So ????
I can confirm that the Factory Tx was / is garbage ..
Also the roll axis is a little unstable .. ( Is the wing warped ? = Ailerons are )

This plane might be ok if :
1) You get one that is straight
2) You get the Plug and play version
3) you slap on larger wheels ( I just ordered some 60mm - I really think it can use some 60mm )
4) Strengthen the slot / area the landing gear goes .
5) Use a larger battery ( mine is a 900mAh 2s ) - Watch that CG !
6) Your lucky !

I think the RTF is to be avoided , the Plug and play might be ok ( MIGHT ) .. ANd to that end LUCK might have to much to say !
I will try and get this thing flying ( Try ) , But it is a " Pain In The Abacus " .. Almost a " Pain In The Asp " ... Hard to call it right now !
Either one or the other .
Posted by old4570 | Jan 07, 2020 @ 11:32 PM | 3,895 Views
Decat maiden (1 min 57 sec)

A) After 2 maidens - I would rate this ( RTF version ) Zero Stars out of 5
B) Every time I go to fly , the Tx seems to become more and more rubbish . It will not hold a trim , and the last time out the trim buttons refused to actually work . I would trim the plane and a few seconds later ( after launch ) the trim would change mid flight . ( What the parking lot ? )

I just dont know what to say , except what a pile of dog left overs this plane is ( and or Tx )

I have pulled the Rx out , and I will see if I can bind to it with a multi protocol Tx .
Push come to shove , a new Rx might have to go into this model .
The Tx is GARBAGE , and if the Rx wont bind to anything , well , a bit of a shame as I will BIN them .
The servos look to be Hobby Grade , so I really dont see issues from there .
It just has to be the rubbish transmitter ...

Also the factory supplied props are weak , the slot the landing gear goes in is weak . The CG is too far back with the supplied battery . I put in a larger battery to hit the factory specified CG spot , but that Tx ! There was little improvement in how the plane flew .
So I am done with the Decathlon for now ..

It desperately needs a decent Tx , much larger wheels , a larger heavier battery and a decent prop ! ( Then it might fly )

My personal opinion is = Best to avoid this one ..

Update :

I tried to bind to the Volantex Rx , but it was a no go .
So this product uses some obscure protocol that is not supported by my Multi protocol Tx .
So scrounging around I found a DSM2 Rx I was using to test a Flybarless Gyro ..

I have set up the Decat ( again ) for my Taranis Qx7 .. Set all the control surfaces ..
And hopefully it might fly ( ?? )

Having your trims re-adjust mid flight because of a rubbish Tx , is just (?) too much ...
Posted by old4570 | Jan 06, 2020 @ 05:08 PM | 4,530 Views
XK x450 unboxing + hover test (5 min 59 sec)

Air quality was terrible ..
But there was little wind to speak off .

Someone kicked (?) the hell out of the box , but thankfully the XK x450 was undamaged .
I dont have XT30 connectors , so I used some 2.5mm bullet connectors shoved into the plug and alligator clips to bring the battery to full charge ( balance charged ) . So will take a while for a XT60 to XT30 adaptor plug to arrive . ( So this is all she wrote for now )


The x450 does drift some what .
I connected the battery on a flat surface , and there was a lot of drift back and to the left ..
Reconnecting the battery seemed to help a lot ..

My sample hovers fine .
Hmmm , maybe the drift can be adjusted for by the angle you keep the x450 at when connecting the battery and arming ?
Or just trim it out ? This hover maiden was just one battery , and as mentioned I dont have a XT30 connector for the charger .
Using the alligator clips was risky business !

I will say that the x450 does feel a little flimsy here and there , and could break in a spectacular way if jammed into terrafirma . It is at the very least a very interesting RC plane that should entertain . Looking forward to getting my adaptor plug so I can charge the battery safely and doing some transitions .

Posted by old4570 | Jan 05, 2020 @ 09:41 PM | 5,776 Views
I wanted a replacement motor .. Especially since the one in my Ezio is how do you do ...

RacerStar BR1811 3800kv (9 min 7 sec)

Now related to that is the propeller that came on the Ezio / FMS 800 Vtail ..
I really disliked this folding prop .
Both models needed 100% throttle to fly , and even then power was lacking .
The Ezio got a fixed 4x3 and the FMS got a HK Folding prop . Both solutions work .
But testing the 1811 gave me the opportunity to see what was what ..

Ezio 800 prop VS HK folding prop (2 min 1 sec)
...Continue Reading
Posted by old4570 | Jan 04, 2020 @ 06:52 PM | 6,276 Views
3020 Ebay prop to 30K RPM (3 min 24 sec)

Trying for 15 - 20 - 25 and 30K RPM
Posted by old4570 | Jan 03, 2020 @ 09:00 PM | 7,448 Views
By having a Test Prop , you can compare motors ..

This is by no means a fair comparison , but it is a comparison ..
Same prop , same RPM , same thrust !
Different motors and different power ( in ) , and different power consumption .
As well , motor efficiency ..

The larger 1306 is using 10.4 watt less power to generate the same thrust as the smaller 1108 .

But lets not forget the variables , like motor weight , battery weight ( over all weight )
So another calculation would be power to weight ratio .. ( That's an important one ) .
Ever wonder how a 100HP car can keep up with a 500HP car = Power to weight ratio !
And a lighter car should be capable of going a little faster thru corners , as long as it has enough tire .. ( Those nasty variables )
So a lighter quad should turn faster and tighter than a heavier quad .
Also accelerate faster ( as long as you have the power to do so ) ..
You may not think that 5 grams amounts to much until you turn it into kinetic energy .. And once mass has acquired velocity ... ( Well )
It's all so terribly interesting .