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Old Mar 14, 2003, 06:46 PM
Rod
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Kyosho Cessna 188 Ag Wagon

Has anyone electrified a Cessna 188 Ag Wagon ARF?
Span 69", Weight (estimated) 6.5 to 7.0 pounds. I was thinking of using a Jeti 45-3 with a 12 x 6 DD prop, and 14 cells (2400 Ncads or 3000 NiMH's.

I seem to have a problem, as I love strange (different) looking aircraft to model.
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Old Mar 14, 2003, 07:42 PM
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Been there, Done that...

Both I, and another Portland area modeler, have electrified the Kyosho AgWagon...I like Weird, too.

I used 21 cells with an Aveox with 3.7 box...Overkill

Other guy used 15 cells and (???) motor...flew great

Mine, at 8.25 (heavy cells, and many) was a Super flyer...vertical performance, of course...and I am doing the conversion again, as my Rx batt died during one flight.

It is a Wonderful flying model.

Terry
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Old Mar 14, 2003, 08:07 PM
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I also find the look very tempting Mine is still awaiting completion. I plan using 12x3000 Sanyo NiMH and a Flyware LRK.

During my research on the net I found 3 other examples for electrified ones:

http://www.rconline.net/magazin-2000...na-wagon.shtml

http://users.swing.be/vincent.filbiche/cessna.htm
Vincent uses a Plettenberg brushless 300/30/2 and 12 cells of Sanyo NiCd 2400 mAh. Total weight 3 kg.

I can't find the third one, but he used a Koehler brushless outrunner and around 20 cells.

BTW, AFAIK the model is out of production for a few years.

Achim
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Old Mar 14, 2003, 10:24 PM
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Terry, Which Aveox di you use?

Achim, I can't red German -- Sorry, what power rating were the motors/ Gear ratio? Batteries - sizes etc.
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Old Mar 15, 2003, 05:45 AM
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Rod,

sorry, I assumed everybody's familiar with those online translation services. You might try http://systran.heisoft.de/ select 1.) Deutsch->Englisch, 2.) type in the URL and 3.) press Übersetzen. Or use your own favorite translator...

Concerning the motors:
Plettenberg: http://www.plettenberg-motoren.com/translate.htm
Ultra from Graupner is a relabeled Plettenberg
Köhler: http://www.actro.de/
Flyware LRK: http://www.flyware.de/

Achim
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Old Mar 15, 2003, 07:32 AM
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@Rod
The Koehler/Actro page is also available in English, scroll down in the blue 'Inhalt/content' frame and you'll find the English pages.
www.high-torque.com / www.high-torque.de
www.maxrivers.com / www.torcman.de
www.aero-models.com / www.flyware.de

@Achim
Your translator link does not work.

Met vriendelijke groet Ron van Sommeren
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Electric fly-in & lrk meet, June 22nd, 2003, Nijmegen, the Netherlands.
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Old Mar 15, 2003, 03:23 PM
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@Achim
Your translator link does not work.

Met vriendelijke groet Ron van Sommeren
LRK homebuilt outrunner e-motor discussion group.
Electric fly-in & lrk meet, June 22nd, 2003, Nijmegen, the
Netherlands.
Must be a problem on your side. Just double-checked it.

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Old Mar 16, 2003, 06:05 AM
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Sorry to have troubled you Achim, now the link works fine. Computers: *&^%$@ !
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Old Mar 16, 2003, 11:11 AM
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Sorry I don't have anything technical or source oriented to add, gentlemen but I couldn't help commenting that the full size plane seems to fly(or be flown) very much like a stunt model!

I have been a resident of agricultural heartland California for 4 mos. and recieved quite a shock a couple of weeks ago. When walking home from work, this bright, yellow airplane almost noiselessly swooped by from behind some warehouses and over my shoulder. It sprayed the fields around my location and then cartwheeled after its firast pass to make another run. It was doing this at ridiculously low level!

I've also been buzzed over the highway by these Agwagons and it is quite unnerving, trying to eyeball the road & traffic and ignore the "dive bomber" about to cross your path!
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Old Mar 16, 2003, 01:04 PM
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Quote: "Terry, Which Aveox did you use? "

Rod - I forget the numerical designation, but it was labelled the "Sport 40" or something like that. When it came back from one "cleaning" (dirt - don't ask), the tag said "1409-3Y. (Senior moment passed, and I Did remember the number!)

Terry
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Old Apr 06, 2003, 08:04 PM
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AgWagon Conversion

Well, I guess I like wierd also. I picked up an Agwagon kit and then asked Tom at MaxCim about a motor for it and he sent me this picture of Allan Teo's in Singapore Agwagon with a geared MaxN32-13D.

That is what I am going to use on mine.

We'll see if I can do wierd or not. lol

Happy Flying
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Old Apr 07, 2003, 05:53 AM
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Weird Looking?

PFFFFFFTTT !!

The agwagon is gorgeous. The wing reminds me of the Corsair.

I had the pleasure of flying (and busting!) various versions of the Agwagon years ago. It is one of the sweetest aircraft I've flown. Very light on the controls, very responsive and yet stable while on the crop.

Thats it, I'm gonna have to build one.
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Old Apr 07, 2003, 09:15 PM
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Re: Kyosho Cessna 188 Ag Wagon

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... I was thinking of using a Jeti 45-3 with a 12 x 6 DD prop, and 14 cells (2400 Ncads or 3000 NiMH's...
Excellent choice! I have seen quite a few 40 sized gas conversion fly using the Jeti 45/3 - or the better quality but very similar Mega 45/3 at my field. (The Mega has almost the same price as the Jeti, but is slightly hotter. You will need to prop down to 11x6 or reduce cell count to 12 to get the amps in the 45A wot region). They all fly very well, go for it!

And do drop those clunky noisy gearboxes which are a thing of the past (unless of course you want to swing a huge prop) .

Love the looks of the AGwagon!
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Old Apr 09, 2003, 11:28 AM
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And do drop those clunky noisy gearboxes which are a thing of the past (unless of course you want to swing a huge prop)
Herb, from what I understand, the gear reduction allows you to swing a larger, more efficient prop. Other than the simplicity and reduced costs of the DD setup, what other advantages are there to running the 45/3 DD?

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Old Apr 09, 2003, 12:19 PM
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Herb, ... advantages are there to running the 45/3 DD?

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Simplicity, reliability, durability, efficiency, noise reduction, weight reduction, size reduction, vibration reduction, reduced maintenace, reduced cost, let's see did I forget anything ?
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