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Old Feb 02, 2009, 04:58 AM
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Here a few pics, SWSA use very nice frames which support two front parellel lines for sighting. Base man sits inside the frame - rear support string is not used.

At the Midland league we simply use 2 x garden poles. Front one has a flag to help the pilot to see it.

Mike
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Old Feb 02, 2009, 07:06 AM
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There are a few of us Ozzies that would like to come to NZ and join in with your F3F comps, perhaps you can send some info on what is coming up and some info on your best slopes? Thanks, Jacob.
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Old Feb 02, 2009, 08:05 AM
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Well now Mark.....

You're off and running!

Make it regular over there, the details will fall into line.

If you find a willing and knowledgeable individual there amoungst you, make them the "competition director" of the club, allow them to research any unknown rules and regs for your group; you can manage the scheduling and keep the turnouts coming.

Good luck!

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Old Feb 02, 2009, 05:44 PM
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Jon Eddsion ??
Hi Mark

Sorry.

And sorry to any UK fliers I inadvertently upset with what follows. I have acted as CD, for at least part of the time, in almost as many events as I have flown. And I admit - thats not all that many.

Jon Eddison is the F3f man at the Hole of Hocum club, and basically created the system of choice for UK F3f. In my humble opinion.

Its a computor based system and does everything a CD needs on the day.

In advance, its loaded with the pilots names and a flying order is created, never been quite sure how, other than if you off the CD on the day, you get to fly first...

This flying order is published, on a white board and on various bits of paper..

It is the responsibility of every pilot to know where he fits in the order, and be ready at the appointed hour..

A "Buzzer Supremo" is nominated - his job is to look at the flying order and detail appropriate people (who are not going to be flying anytime soon..) to man the buzzers.

He keeps an eye on the flying order, who has flown this round, who isn't going to for some time, and who needs to be getting ready, and shouts at various people to go man the bases.

The CD benefits from an assistant who yells at the assembled throng the names of the next three fliers at the start of every flight, thereby ensuring everybody - who already know it is their responsibility to appear on the line ready to go, really does know it's their turn soon..

Then the computor has a countdown facility, so the CD says "Name" working time starts - computer displays time remaining, so if someone is out to play the system, the data is available to crush him.

After launch, 30 second countdown is intitiated and the various on and off- course noises result.

Then it records each leg time and predicts a fininshing time - this gives the CD something to look at and allows him to make informed smart comments if asked by the pilot after the flight...

eg - "you really co ed up leg five mate"

And finally, the computer works it all out and announces the winner. Jon Eddison does this in the car park.

Which, in my case, is usually embarrassing

Key points?

Publish a flying order

Make sure the CD is in control - take no argument from anybody.

He needs to know where the competitors leeway is.

Allow no deviation from the rules - the rules are there to protect the CD

Plan it so the next flier is always ready to launch as the previous one exits the course.

OK - helps if LZ is away from the course and everyone knows how to exit the course and go away and land.

But like I said - just get yourself a Jon Eddison and it all happens!

Tim

Who knows dam well that Jon Eddison would take no from Chuck Norris
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Old Feb 03, 2009, 01:29 AM
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Hey Tim - thanks a lot for that.....That really gives me a great idea how you guys run things.....got lots of great tips and ideas from it.....Brilliant - is this computer system available for purchase? sounds real good.

Thanks for taking the time with your post - I appreciate it....
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Old Feb 03, 2009, 05:38 AM
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Being very new to F3F too, I would be very interested in what your setup looks like. Can you guys please post some pics of your poles, buzzer setups and scoring systems?? Do you have a laptop on site to record results? I have downloaded a spreadsheet from somewhere to record results, but it doesn't seem to roll up on going season results - only rounds 1-10, which I presume are held over the same day or so. What about the next 'event'? Is there anything out there to roll these all up simply in the one spreadsheet?

Mark
Hi Mark,

I have a spreadsheet that might meet your requirements to do a "roll-up" for the entire season...

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=533780

This sheet will handle up to 90 pilots over 40 rounds - far more than is probably possible even for an event lasting a week, but it's easier better to have too much capacity than not enough! I created it at the request of Miguel Angel Torra Ratia - Miguel is part of the team that organises the F3F event in La Muela, Spain, and he is trying to automate his scoring system in real time, but needed a larger sheet. Feel free to use it, though I agree with previous comments that you're far better scoring events individually rather than rolling them up over weeks and months, where conditions and peoples ability to attend may overly affect the results.
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Old Feb 03, 2009, 05:05 PM
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Hey Tim - thanks a lot for that.....That really gives me a great idea how you guys run things.....got lots of great tips and ideas from it.....Brilliant - is this computer system available for purchase? sounds real good.

Thanks for taking the time with your post - I appreciate it....
Hi Mark

No problem.

I am in no way an expert (I'm no w er either, I don't think), but I have been around R/C comps of one sort or another for many years, and particularly at club level the problem always comes between balancing the need for fairness, with not embarrassing newbies and not allowing pot hunters to bend the rules...

At one of the UK 60" National races I flew I vividly remember the CD, as part of the briefing, saying words to the effect

"And if any of you want to complain to me about the prize you get I WILL come and jump on your model"

I think he was joking (right Paul?) but this is the most important advice I can give you - The CD is in charge and what he says goes. Full stop.

I could probably hook you up with Jon Eddison if you want further details on the computer side? Chuck Norris won't mind.

Pm me if you feel that woud benefit your sport.

Best of luck!

Tim

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Hi Mark

No problem.

I am in no way an expert (I'm no w er either, I don't think), but I have been around R/C comps of one sort or another for many years, and particularly at club level the problem always comes between balancing the need for fairness, with not embarrassing newbies and not allowing pot hunters to bend the rules...

At one of the UK 60" National races I flew I vividly remember the CD, as part of the briefing, saying words to the effect

"And if any of you want to complain to me about the prize you get I WILL come and jump on your model"

I think he was joking (right Paul?) but this is the most important advice I can give you - The CD is in charge and what he says goes. Full stop.

I could probably hook you up with Jon Eddison if you want further details on the computer side? Chuck Norris won't mind.

Pm me if you feel that woud benefit your sport.

Best of luck!

Tim

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Only 18" of snow Tim...you were short changed
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Old Feb 03, 2009, 09:53 PM
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Old Feb 04, 2009, 04:42 AM
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what about reflights??
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Old Feb 04, 2009, 05:57 AM
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Hi,

You will also find an organiser's guide at the following addess:

http://rcsoaringpictures.free.fr/Ope...guidelines.htm

It is base on our experience in organizing competition, but it focuses more on major international competition. I'm sure there are some tips that can be reused.

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Old Feb 04, 2009, 01:13 PM
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what about reflights??

See Scoop. :-)


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Old Feb 04, 2009, 02:19 PM
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what about reflights??
Space bar and something else I think - I just call on Jon or Richard Bago if it its needed....

Are you really sure you know what you've let yourself in for?
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Old Feb 04, 2009, 02:28 PM
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I'm not CDing the events, I'll tell you that much!
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Old Feb 04, 2009, 02:48 PM
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I'm not CDing the events, I'll tell you that much!
Ah ha!

So you do.....
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