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Old Jan 16, 2009, 12:14 AM
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iCharger 1010B+ power question

Is this currenly the leader in high power intergrted charger?

Cand this charger charge 6S 5000+ Mah lipos @ 2C or better???

That's all I want to know please.
I'm going cross eyed here trying do find ad filter through tons of info on this site.
PLEASE, I want to buy somethign, no more reading
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Old Jan 16, 2009, 12:45 AM
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Is this currenly the leader in high power intergrted charger?
Depends on what is meant by 'leader'. The Hyperion 0720i has higher current capability, but lower total wattage output capability.

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Can this charger charge 6S 5000+ Mah lipos @ 2C or better???
Yes. It'll do 10 amps at 6S (as will its little brother, the 106B+). Recommended input voltage is >13.5V to extract maximum performance with higher (6S+) cell counts.

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Old Jan 16, 2009, 01:30 AM
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Just a little more reading
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|  KGLFY's Balance Charger Summary  |
|            18 Jan 2009            |
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Integrated Balance Chargers
===========================
 These offer simplicity and convenience with the balancer and charger combined
 in the same case. Simpler, more convenient, take up less bench space and
 easier to transport.

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Brand      Model         Chemistry       Balancer   Input  Output         Price (USD)  Notes
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FMA        Cellpro4S       LiXx only     2s-4s        dc    50W/4A             $55     Excellent, simple, hugely popular, great value
FMA        Cellpro4Smulti   multi        2s-4s        dc    50W/4A             $79     New model of this hugely popular charger
---------  ------------  --------------  ---------  -----  -------------  -----------  --------------------------------------------
Bantam     eStation BC6     multi        2s-6s      ac/dc   50W/5A            $170     Proven high quality. Integrated ac/dc power supply is great
Hyperion   EOS0606iAD       multi        2s-6s      ac/dc   50W/6A            $150     Integrated ac/dc supply but not as good as the BC6
MegaPower  860DS            multi        2s-6s      ac/dc   50W/6A            $110     Appears to be the same as the Hyperion 0606iAD
TP         TP610            multi        2s-6s        dc    80W/10A           $130     New model from respected TP brand
KongPower  100W6            multi        2s-6s        dc   100W/5A            $150     New model based on the MaxproX6, likely to be just as good
Maxpro     X6               multi        2s-6s        dc   100W/5A            $140     New brand, good user comments so far
iCharger   106B             multi        2s-6s        dc   210W/10A           $100     New brand, good spec.s, good feedback so far
iCharger   106B+            multi        2s-6s        dc   250W/10A           $130     Best band for buck in terms of features+output power
Bantam     BC6-10           multi        2s-6s        dc   200W/10A           $180     Same great charger as the BC6 but 200W/10A (dc input only)
Hyperion   EOS0610iNET      multi        2s-6s        dc   250W/10A           $170     Good bang for buck in terms of features+output power
Hyperion   EOS0720iNET      multi        2s-7s        dc   250W/20A           >$170    Boosted spec.s for A123 in particular, better LCD and 80W discharge
Hyperion   EOS0610iDUO-II   multi        2s-6s x 2    dc   180W/10A each      ~$270    New "II" model adds better LCD and 50W discharge/channel
---------  ------------  --------------  ---------  -----  -------------  -----------  --------------------------------------------
Bantam     eStation BC8     multi        2s-8s        dc   150W/7A            $270     Proven high quality
Bantam     eStation BC8DX   multi        2s-8s x 2    dc   160W/9A each       $360     New model from the respected Bantam brand
---------  ------------  --------------  ---------  -----  -------------  -----------  --------------------------------------------
Chargery   1010B            multi        2s-10s       dc   200W/10A           $240     New brand, good spec.s, good feedback so far
iCharger   1010B            multi        2s-10s       dc   250W/10A           $180     New brand, good spec.s, good feedback so far
iCharger   1010B+           multi        2s-10s       dc   300W/10A           >$180    Adds built-in USB and higher charge/discharge power
---------  ------------  --------------  ---------  -----  -------------  -----------  --------------------------------------------
FMA        Cellpro10S       LiXx only    2s-5s x 2    dc   250W/10A           $190     Not independent dual port. 1A balancer is a strength.
---------  ------------  --------------  ---------  -----  -------------  -----------  --------------------------------------------
Graupner   Ultra DUO 50     multi        2x-7s x 2  ac/dc  360W/10A           $530     Very impressive beast, but expensive. Integrated AC power supply
                                                                                       for up to 120W max output power, else run it off DC to get 180W/10A
                                                                                       per port or 250W/10A on a single port. Appears to be two independent
                                                                                       channels, each with its own display and controls.
---------  ------------  --------------  ---------  -----  -------------  -----------  --------------------------------------------
Robbe      PP Eternity      multi        2s-14s       dc   315W/20A           ~$400    Big LCD, 2nd output for Rx/Tx/3s LiXx packs up to 2A
                                                                                       USB, onboard data logging, LogView, 160W discharge.
---------  ------------  --------------  ---------  -----  -------------  -----------  --------------------------------------------
Otherwise, +1 to what Mark said above. If you have lots of cash you could consider the Robbe PowerPeak Eternity (14S, 315W/20A) which sneaks ahead of both the iC1010B+ and the 0720i and has even more features.

Don't forget to budget for an appropriate power supply if you want to use the full rated output power.
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Old Jan 16, 2009, 08:43 AM
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Minor point but Hyp. 720i Net is 80 watts / 10A max. discharge rate not 50 watts.
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Old Jan 16, 2009, 02:14 PM
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I am pretty sure FMA's CellPro 10s can put out more then 200w... The test I done with 6s 5000mAh pack, the charge can pump more then 10A (about 10.5A) at 25v (6s). That would be about 250w ~ 262.5w.

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Old Jan 16, 2009, 04:22 PM
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Minor point but Hyp. 720i Net is 80 watts / 10A max. discharge rate not 50 watts.
Thanks, I have corrected that typo.
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I am pretty sure FMA's CellPro 10s can put out more then 200w... The test I done with 6s 5000mAh pack, the charge can pump more then 10A (about 10.5A) at 25v (6s). That would be about 250w ~ 262.5w.
Thank you for your observations. FMA specify it as a "300W input" device but yours is the first user report where someone got more than about 200W output. IIRC in Charles' (everydayflier) rigorous testing he never exceeded 200W. I can believe that the charger output 10A early in the CC phase where the applied voltage was lower than the nominal final voltage (eg 3.3V/cell => 10.5 x 6 x 3.3 = 208W) but I bet the current dropped off as the voltage rose. Until we see instrumented charge plots from users demonstrating more than 200W sustained output I will let it stand at that value.
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Old Jan 16, 2009, 05:07 PM
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I will see if I can take picture of the charger while it's charging...

If it makes any difference, I was using 15.1v input. Don't quote me on this, but I think I remember CellPro was pulling almost 24A from my P/S. So, that would make it 360W input.
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Old Jan 16, 2009, 10:37 PM
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OK, here it is. Since I don't have the creditability of "Charles", I better backup my statement with some proof... Accurate Charge test was done on Outrage pack that is 6s 5000mAh. Fast charge test was done on those cheap ThunderPower v2 Extreme that is also 6s 5000mAh.

Here is the Accurate Charge on Outrage. Notice the total output approchs 250w.



Here is the Fast Charge with TP pack, it peak at about 255w.




If any one wants the raw data file from CellPro 10s, just let me know.
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Old Jan 16, 2009, 10:42 PM
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Also, here are the screen capture from Fast charge cycle.



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Old Jan 17, 2009, 02:33 AM
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Thank you for the hard data asm, 250W it is
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Old Jan 26, 2009, 12:08 AM
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FYI - some hard data on the iC1010B+ charging 8S A123 at 10A (280W output): http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=2669
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