Discussion HK 450 : hard to be cheaper for a 450

[KABAL99]

look at that friends
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...Helicopter_Kit

[USNAviationjay]

so its a super cheapo clone of a Trex 450 SA.. um k.. might be good for a scale Airframe.. but I sure wouldn't trust it much.

[KABAL99]

yes probably
like you said cool for scale

[eaterofdog]

You could get a copterx head/tail set for $60 and make it decent. I'm not buying one though.

They are selling pretty fast.

[e2346437]

8 left after I just purchased one, around $56 with International registered air mail to Maine.

Eric

[Steve_C]

-1 in stock, that went fast.

[KABAL99]

all sold in about 3 hours

[scousethief]

Nice price but i wouldnt trust it as a whole , but as spares , paddles flybar, boom skids etc it would be worth it ,it would actually cost me more to buy the parts i could use as spares than buying this whole heli , ill give one a try its only a few quid .

[BowerR64]

wow $35.

[JustinMoore12]

Originally Posted by e2346437

8 left after I just purchased one, around $56 with International registered air mail to Maine.

Eric

Where is Mapleton in relation to Bangor?

[e2346437]

Originally Posted by JustinMoore12

Where is Mapleton in relation to Bangor?

1.5 hours north on I-95 to Houlton, then 1 hour north to Presque Isle, then 3 miles West to Mapleton.

Eric

[JustinMoore12]

Ah your up in the boonies

[Gino CP]

Wow, it costs just as much as your average crash parts. Disposable heli anyone?

[sidneyw]

EXI 450 was $53 including shipping within U.S. on Black Friday. I now have three; flying two and one for spare parts.

[walikard]

Hmmm, helicopters are getting cheaper and cheaper everyday. Though I doubt the quality, it's no doubt that it super duper cheap

[e2346437]

Originally Posted by walikard

Hmmm, helicopters are getting cheaper and cheaper everyday. Though I doubt the quality, it's no doubt that it super duper cheap

If it's parts-compatible with the T-Rex 450, which I'm hoping it is, quality won't matter to me. I can upgrade the parts that fail with better parts from any number of manufacturers until I'm satisfied with it.

I've rarely been satisfied with any of my name-brand RC touring car kits out of the box, but there are always titanium, aluminum, and carbon fiber parts available.

Just an observation; there is a lot of copying of designs by small Asian companies going on, but I always found it amusing that if I wanted, say, a Traxxas T-Maxx monster truck, that I didn't have to buy a T-Maxx to get it. In fact, it's possible to build a T-Maxx from aftermarket parts without ever buying a single part from Traxxas. Same with other RC vehicles. Sure, US companies don't offer the whole kit-and-kaboodle in one purchase like the Asian companies do, but it's still possible.

Eric

[smoothb10]

Cant wait to hear some reports from those who have gotten one for that price it cant be that bad.

[mhills51]

Just ordered mine I am number -18 I did question the shipping weight 990? I thought a trex all ready to fly was only like 800. They must be shipping it in a refrigerator box.

Dame, I think Bower64 is starting to affect me with the want of cheap helis.

[mhills51]

This looks like the best copied SA I have ever seen. Even the metal sides are exact. It will be interesting to see if it has a metal main head. I see the tail blade holders are plastic-the SA's are metal.

[RCGuy01 alias account]

availability at this moment in time -21
Unbelievable

[mhills51]

That's really is not a large number. I have seen the 3S 2200 batts at -99.

[USNAviationjay]

Originally Posted by mhills51

This looks like the best copied SA I have ever seen. Even the metal sides are exact. It will be interesting to see if it has a metal main head. I see the tail blade holders are plastic-the SA's are metal.

Um SA entire tail and head are plastic bro.. no metal grips on either tail or head stock.

[BowerR64]

when its in the - does that mean you guys have requested to be notified when the get them back in stock?

[frac]

Originally Posted by mhills51

Dame, I think Bower64 is starting to affect me with the want of cheap helis.

where do you see that that 450 MUSEUM is cheap??!!??

frac

[batusaix]

I'd buy one.

[frac]

Originally Posted by walikard

Hmmm, helicopters are getting cheaper and cheaper everyday. Though I doubt the quality, it's no doubt that it super duper cheap

HC has lots of good stuff. cheap...and good. we'll just have to wait and see

frac

[KABAL99]

hi
i have 1 on iys way , i will buid it in the thread to show you the beast

[frac]

the frame looks identical to the exi


frac

[e2346437]

Originally Posted by mhills51

This looks like the best copied SA I have ever seen. Even the metal sides are exact. It will be interesting to see if it has a metal main head. I see the tail blade holders are plastic-the SA's are metal.

It looks like the head is plastic, but if it's parts-compatible with the T-Rex, we should be able to get a metal head for it.

Can you take a look at the pictures in the first post of this Hobbycity.com forum?. I'd like to know just how close to the T-Rex it is.

Thanks!

[MartinL]

I bet u its the same as CopterX ME rebadged..looks the same but with better blades and swashplate.
http://www.ehirobo.com/shop/product_...f2a93067d9ce2e

[e2346437]

Originally Posted by MartinL

I bet u its the same as CopterX ME rebadged..looks the same but with better blades and swashplate.
http://www.ehirobo.com/shop/product_...f2a93067d9ce2e

They posted a new set of Carbon Fiber blades at the same time as the heli, very nice for only $14.22.

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=8390

Eric

[KABAL99]

i think they are the same than the one i bought with the heli but w/o white paint
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...e_White_(1pair)

[darthdrk]

Originally Posted by e2346437

Just an observation; there is a lot of copying of designs by small Asian companies going on, but I always found it amusing that if I wanted, say, a Traxxas T-Maxx monster truck, that I didn't have to buy a T-Maxx to get it. In fact, it's possible to build a T-Maxx from aftermarket parts without ever buying a single part from Traxxas. Same with other RC vehicles. Sure, US companies don't offer the whole kit-and-kaboodle in one purchase like the Asian companies do, but it's still possible.

Eric

Clone wars, it stiffles innovation. I know we are all looking for the best bang for the buck but it hurts the business who in all essence did all the work to bring the product to the market and all the cloners does is copy and do not
put in the labor of and iniative to design new things. Personally I think its kinda sad. Soon when the original producer is ran out of business the price of the cloned stuff is going to go through the roof. Remember when walkera use to be a discount brand heli which did alot of copying of other helis. Notice their prices has gone up after they had made a name for themselves. The rememberance of how some of these companies get and got started are short lived because there is always a constant turn over in the hobby.

[walikard]

CopterX ME has got metal center hub & metal swashplate too

[darthdrk]

May I add, $35.00 for a new 450 size heli barebone is very hard to beat and I doubt if the producer is really making much money off it. Could be just an intro price until a name has been made for themselves and then you will see the price climb (happens all the time) We are all being lemmings for this stuff. First we complained about the big helis being to big to fly at a local park so the helis got smaller , so small you can barely fly some outside. The 450 heli seemed to fit the bill for wind and local park flying. Now Ive noticed everything is moving big again 500-600-700 size (mabey thats why the price of this 450 size heli. could be part of the reason) Stick around and the tide will be back for the smaller heli if this is whats going on.

[frac]

Originally Posted by darthdrk

Clone wars, it stiffles innovation. I know we are all looking for the best bang for the buck but it hurts the business who in all essence did all the work to bring the product to the market and all the cloners does is copy and do not
put in the labor of and iniative to design new things. .

if they hadn't priced in the stratosphere they would have this market today.

that's all there is to it .....greed.

and if they keep making this mistake they will lose it all. and they did!!! $500 200 class machines...get off it!!

do you really believe that others can't innovate while keeping prices low?

do we even need innovation...the design of helis is very mature don't you think? what else might we expect? the new Bell-hiller-Bozo system? a 5mm feathering shaft?

does the "torque tube" grab you intellectually??!!! cool name trivial concept

Align did this to themselves and now they are paying for it. at least in heli land.

But they are a smart company with lots of skills and they are diversified.....helis are only a part of their business (have you seen the electric lawn mower that looks like a heli canopy? )


frac

[Ciolouse]

Stock is -41, this is a best seller, unbelievable !
Someone know wat was the amount of units at the beginning?

Waiting for reply and stock spares parts available before buy on, but I think this is the best 450 heli for training !!

[MikeHRC]

Cheaper price is also down to economies of scale though - the major cost of manufacture is in mould making, if all of these cheapies are coming from the same company under different names or brands then they can keep prices down.

[KABAL99]

Originally Posted by Ciolouse

Stock is -41, this is a best seller, unbelievable !
Someone know wat was the amount of units at the beginning?

Waiting for reply and stock spares parts available before buy on, but I think this is the best 450 heli for training !!

45 or 50 i can not remenber

[Technex]

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[e2346437]

Originally Posted by Ciolouse

Stock is -41, this is a best seller, unbelievable !
Someone know wat was the amount of units at the beginning?

Waiting for reply and stock spares parts available before buy on, but I think this is the best 450 heli for training !!

I live in the Eastern time zone and saw the stock hovering at 36 at 6 AM. By 8 AM EST they were down below 25, and by 10 AM they were at less than 20 and going fast so that's when I purchased mine. By the time I got through the cart they were down to 12.

I originally thought the price was a mistake until I saw posts in their Community forum that foretold of the product.

Eric

[RCGuy01 alias account]

$35 heli is great; especially when we are now in recession
and need some affordable stuffs to release tension.

[KABAL99]

"recession" is the exact word concerning me

[sidneyw]

Copy! What copy? If you can buy a laptop for less than $500, refrigerator <$600, TV for <$200, Digital cam <$100 ........

RC hobby is way overpriced ..... why? Because it's a hobby Manufacturers and dealers are making advantage of our "wants". We don't need it, we want it. , so pay up.

Now, it's a different story; factories are idling, equipment sits, workers have no job ..... make RC heli, even at $35 they are still making a living. Don't forget, there are 1.3 billion Chinese living in China, if only the makers can convinced 1% of them to get into RC. They don't need us.

[BowerR64]

I like when they copy a design and improve on things like RC-Tek did. Their XL was similar in design but they improved on things that were problems on the align.

[Kometfreak]

Some of the components are probably made at the same place that Align has contracted to produce for them. If you let your designs out into the hands of those who run off a couple of thousand parts extra and then rebadge them it's your fault for not vetting and binding your subcontractors better.

[BowerR64]

So you can buy all the parts from hobbycity

$35. helli
4 HXT900 servos $12.
450 motor $17.
30A esc $12.
1800 zippy pack $19.

then get that 401 gyro clone for $35.
cell pro from FMA direct for $50.

Now thats a beater.

[frac]

Originally Posted by Kometfreak

Some of the components are probably made at the same place that Align has contracted to produce for them. If you let your designs out into the hands of those who run off a couple of thousand parts extra and then rebadge them it's your fault for not vetting and binding your subcontractors better.

there is a school of thought that says that Align actually wanted this to happen

frac

[sidneyw]

Originally Posted by BowerR64

So you can buy all the parts from hobbycity

$35. helli
4 HXT900 servos $12.
450 motor $17.
30A esc $12.
1800 zippy pack $19.

then get that 401 gyro clone for $35.
cell pro from FMA direct for $50.

Now thats a beater.

You got it; a few will never.

Some will say Zippy will be out of business as if they are selling low price lipos by giving away the store. HXT900 servos are junks, copied of others.

Let me say this; materials cost is almost the same no matter where you manufacture the products, equipment cost is the same. The only difference is labor cost which in normal cost structure is no more than 6% - 15% of total cost. The major difference is CEO doesn't get the pay as in the U.S.

Direct channel of distribution via internet sale is far more effective/efficient than normal chain of distribution cost. I'd say expect price will come down this year ..... best time for RC enthusiasts

[gablett]

The more people we cant get into this hobby, the better it is for all of us. More companies will start making stuff and there will be more people to fly with. Who wants to pay $500 to get a heli you will crash 10 times before you can hover a battery? This is like the Radio Shack RC cars before you buy the Traxxas T-maxx. Im all for it.

[frac]

Originally Posted by Technex

I would never give my money to any one of these clone companies, besides the owner there is a even bigger a-hole then with most of these kind of companies, and that's saying something...
It's like a bunch of zombies to some nasty gone-off meat, sorry...

And besides, why give money to some company which can't even design a product?

Wow, I love the blades, looks like they work in some kind of reverse format. Maybe this is there kind of innovation?!?

you can't hide those beads of sweat Dragonus


frac

[e2346437]

Originally Posted by BowerR64

So you can buy all the parts from hobbycity

$35. helli
4 HXT900 servos $12.
450 motor $17.
30A esc $12.
1800 zippy pack $19.

then get that 401 gyro clone for $35.
cell pro from FMA direct for $50.

Now thats a beater.

Which gyro is the 401 clone? I have an HK-450 on the way so now I need a cheap gyro

Eric

[mhills51]

Originally Posted by USNAviationjay

Um SA entire tail and head are plastic bro.. no metal grips on either tail or head stock.

Yep your right , but the SA has a metal head block. A big improvement over the plastic ones that came with the XL's

[BowerR64]

The 401B in that post "401B locked and loaded" its getting good reviews.

Originally Posted by sidneyw

You got it; a few will never.

Some will say Zippy will be out of business as if they are selling low price lipos by giving away the store. HXT900 servos are junks, copied of others.

Well if you get a few other parts it makes the shipping for the heli not quite as steep i think.

[scousethief]

Dunno what some of you are talking about , innovation ? 90% of helis use the same head and tail configuration so how as it stifling innovation ? tried and tested and good enough is what it is , i can understand that the quality may not be up to par but in truth a lot of the kits available dont sell in the numbers they could just because of price point ,i wont buy another trex because of that theyre nice dont get me wrong but so is a cheap exi or copterx with the nice electronics that get put in the rex.

[mosca.br]

Hes probably talking about the g401b from xmseller

[mhills51]

Bower!
I think you nailed it!! They are not making money on the Heli. They are trying to get you to get a bunch of batteries and parts with your order. That was the first thing that came up after I put in my order> FOR YOUR $19 SHIPPING YOU CAN ALSO GET THIS----<

[mosca.br]

They do that for every thing you order

[Gino CP]

Helis nowadays are like printers. They are just packaging for the real money maker: the setup.

[frac]

Originally Posted by scousethief

i can understand that the quality may not be up to par but in truth a lot of the kits available dont sell in the numbers they could just because of price point ,i wont buy another trex because of that theyre nice dont get me wrong but so is a cheap exi or copterx with the nice electronics that get put in the rex.

now the electronics is where the innovation is going to be if anything.

autopilots, flybarless stabilizers.UAV systems, AI crash avoidance systems, ultra long flight power systems....LOTS of room and possibilities there.

but that's all...ELECTRONICS......not helis



frac

[Technex]

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[BowerR64]

Originally Posted by Gino CP

Helis nowadays are like printers. They are just packaging for the real money maker: the setup.

I think the blades on my printer are out of balance, sometimes it shakes my whole desk.

Originally Posted by Gino CP

Helis nowadays are like printers. They are just packaging for the real money maker: the ink cartridge

i know thats right

[frac]

Originally Posted by Technex

What are we trying to say Frac?

it's pretty obvious technex.

are you guys sponsored? aside from the competitive technical requirements it's probably the reason you don't understand the rest of us

reams of ppl are perfectly satisfied with their low cost 450s.that's a fact you guys might have to live with.

not too long ago ppl just fantasized about having a 450.now they own 3 or 4.

this WAS an expensive hobby and it's getting cheaper by the day.good for us.

somebody better get one of those things into build mode soon or we're gonna start killing each other

frac

[Darth_Elevator]

Thanks for the heads up on this. The backorder queue is pretty long, but I figured I'd better get in it before it gets any longer. Also ordered this motor for it.

[Technex]

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[darthdrk]

What I dont trust about Hobbycity is that you may order something that may be on backorder for a long long time when they run out or it may get discontinued then you are going to unravel the ordeal of getting your money back. Most places overseas only like to give a credit. As far as owning 450 size helis, I think i have hit maximum saturation with about Ten mabey a few more.

[BowerR64]

Originally Posted by Darth_Elevator

Thanks for the heads up on this. The backorder queue is pretty long, but I figured I'd better get in it before it gets any longer. Also ordered this motor for it.

I love that motor, thats my favorite motor right now. In a plastic frame XL i get almost 10 minutes of FF flying using the 2.3mm shaft and a 9-10T pinion and an 1800mah 3S lipo.

I have a few with a 9T and a few with a 10T on that motor. I can then use the hobbycity 30A (card programable) esc for $12. and you have a nice setup for cruising around the backyard.

The card i use programs the music into the esc wich adds a neat "ready to go" jingle

[frac]

Originally Posted by Technex

Heck, you go along and order them, support the bad trade, you're killing the hobby for the rest of us. At least they'll be good probably for hovering, well hopefully... As long as they don't fall apart before they take off. And well, until they set on fire in the air or fall apart in the air... Causing people to loose there eyes due to loose tail rotors and/or main blades etc.

[Technex]

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[frac]

Originally Posted by Technex

Well, it's true unfortunately.

soon we'll both be in hell...guess what you'll be flying


frac

[lyclyc]

let me show you guys what can be done with that $36 heli and i'm ready for the challenges.....

now it's back order for -66...

damn, this is going to slide the market... severely.....
i'm going to buy 3 at one go......

[walikard]

Show us what this heli can do bro, eagerly waiting

[scousethief]

Technex ,id have a Dragonus and happily pay the price for it , its a nice looking heli ,but i generally get mine for free the 450 clones ALL look the same , the same head , the same tail ,even the parts are more than likely made in the same factory , minor body modifications , christ theres a walkera 36 in my club flown by the owner , trex style head on it same style tail all cloned bits but with good electronics and he can do everything the other guys do with their top branded helis , the days of quality = mega bucks are dwindling away , the build quality is much much better on these cheaper kits hence the copterx and exi helis everywhere , after the build and setup the onus is now shifting to electronics , systems that help you fly at a price you can afford rather than pay 80 quid for a servo that does the same exact job as a 20 quid one but the snobs buy it because it has a name on the side.
I know id rather dump 200 quids worth of heli into the ground than 1000 and ive seen plenty of experienced fliers do that with high priced machines and high priced electronics , everything fails at some point. Nothing is guranteed.

[lyclyc]

ok ok, stop argueing copy right thing, design copying...
every time a clone come out, the topic will divert to intelectual class again and again.

let us just concentrate on the heli....

who has order it?
last night i want to order it, but it was backorder after i have decided what motor/esc to go with the heli..... damn...

for me, i believe this heli will be great for figure eight, inverter figure eight, reverse figure eight, piroutting flip in stock.

we should focus on, how to make this heli flies great!! forget exi, forget copterx....

here comes HK-450.....

[e2346437]

-78 stock and climbing...

[mhills51]

Originally Posted by darthdrk

What I dont trust about Hobbycity is that you may order something that may be on backorder for a long long time when they run out or it may get discontinued then you are going to unravel the ordeal of getting your money back. Most places overseas only like to give a credit.

That just means a few new lipos for my investment.

[darthdrk]

Originally Posted by mhills51

That just means a few new lipos for my investment.

yeah true. For the price, the zippys work great I have a few already that have been going strong since spring.

[KABAL99]

there will be 100 heli coming in the next 7 days
so you can order one and it will be delivered soon

[mhills51]

YYESSSSSSSSS!!!!

sounds like I am back to getting mine in a month and a half again!!

[e2346437]

Originally Posted by KABAL99

there will be 100 heli coming in the next 7 days
so you can order one and it will be delivered soon

How do you know this?

Maybe you also know when spare parts and upgrades will be in stock, or if this bird is parts-compatible with the T-Rex 450, CopterX, and Exi 450?

-96 now. They seem to be selling at a rate of 2.5 per hour. Only one of the recommended motors left.

Eric

[KABAL99]

look at the forum under the heli on their site after log in

do not know about spare

[lyclyc]

now it's -100, i wonder how many first time heli flyer bought the heli?

[e2346437]

Originally Posted by lyclyc

now it's -100, i wonder how many first time heli flyer bought the heli?

I bought one, and it's my first!

Eric

[batusaix]

Weeeeeeeee!

[eaterofdog]

Originally Posted by Technex

Things got cheaper long before these 36 dollar helis come along. It's just damn common sense not to buy this.

Heck, you go along and order them, support the bad trade, you're killing the hobby for the rest of us. At least they'll be good probably for hovering, well hopefully... As long as they don't fall apart before they take off. And well, until they set on fire in the air or fall apart in the air... Causing people to loose there eyes due to loose tail rotors and/or main blades etc.

You are just being pathetic now. You better go check and make sure them damn kids aren't on your lawn.

[lyclyc]

i don't know if you guys remember, but on 31/8/2007, a malaysia pilot lost one of his eye on a trex 450 due to pilot error....

so, this is a dangerous hobby and please, take safety precaution when flying heli...

[Technex]

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[frac]

Originally Posted by Technex

Huh?

Okay please sir, go fly a 450 into your eye, and no, it won't do any damage at all. Or even better, make a big cut in the feathering shaft screws and use no loctite, hover it next to your eyes and wait for the friendly surprise!

Softer grade bolts, bad quality control with anything in the main rotor or tail rotor can cause a blade to go flying, now sir, a 3000rpm blade, tail or main rotor travelling at that speed is going to hurt now isn't it?

As yes the above post is correct, people have lost there eyes, broken there bones and all with a 450. People have been killed with 600 and 700 size helis, you think this hobby is a joke? Go back to 2 channel helis.

this is just such a MASTERWORK OF MISREPRESENTATION that i have to quote it in full.

while almost all of the above is true IT HAS NOTHING TO DO SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR CLONES.

you see Tech, you are trying to argue with a load of ppl WHO ACTUALLY HAVE THESE THINGS IN THEIR HANDS AND FLY THEM EVERY DAY and tell them that their HIGH QUALITY birds are crap when they KNOW FOR CERTAIN that it AIN'T TRUE!!

this is an entirely new standard of foolishness.

NOW, SOMEBODY SPEND THE MONEY ON EMS AND GET A BUILD GOING OR THIS THREAD IS LOST!!!!!



and Tech, if you want to beat up on something, beat on ESKY. I'll help you

frac

[Technex]

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[e2346437]

In the spirit of keeping this thread on track, here's a good-looking choice for a tail servo.

https://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/...idproduct=4697

Looks like 0.05 sec travel time at 6 volts. It's not digital but you can't argue with the speed or the price.

My order is still processing, anyone seen a shipped status yet?

Eric

[Technex]

Take a look at this thread here for a example.

http://myhobbycity.com/showthread.php?t=2079

He had to remove posts because he's afraid of the truth.

We all know Scorpion motors are great yet this guy doesn't seem to understand and is against Scorpion motors.

There are actually videos showing the factory with workers working down the whole process with the motor, here on RC Groups.

Just letting you guys know who you're buying from.

[lyclyc]

i suppose this heli is on a 3mm feathering shaft?
any one can confirm about this?

[Gino CP]

You know people, nobody wins an argument. You can present all your facts and anecdotes all you want but each side will believe what they want to believe. And for us spectators, both of you just sound like kids.

Now where is that cartoon about this guy getting all excited in front of his pc , exclaiming "Look, somebody on the internet is WRONG!"

[frac]

Originally Posted by Technex

Esky have already proven themselves, nothing wrong with there stuff if you're not looking for hi-performance.
etc etc etc...

frac, laughing hysterically

[Technex]

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[lyclyc]

Originally Posted by Gino CP

You know people, nobody wins an argument. You can present all your facts and anecdotes all you want but each side will believe what they want to believe. And for us spectators, both of you just sound like kids.

Now where is that cartoon about this guy getting all excited in front of his pc , exclaiming "Look, somebody on the internet is WRONG!"

agree.... these type of arguements is really really wasting our energy to type.

for one of my point, i'm from malaysia and for a normal living people, we earn around 500 USD per month.

for US people, i believe the average living people earn much more than that.
that's why some people can buy good gyro...

while others search up and down for affordable cheap thing..
really arguement is pointless....

[frac]

Originally Posted by Gino CP

You know people, nobody wins an argument. You can present all your facts and anecdotes all you want but each side will believe what they want to believe. And for us spectators, both of you just sound like kids.

Now where is that cartoon about this guy getting all excited in front of his pc , exclaiming "Look, somebody on the internet is WRONG!"

you do realize that he's down on those THIEVES at copterX right??!!???

and if you don't comment on that esky thing i will be mightily disappointed


frac

[Technex]

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[lyclyc]

Originally Posted by Technex

And what is so funny? I have one of there helicopters here next to me, works great every time.

esky has got it's good and bad.
not all good.

i'm satisfied for the cp2 as a beginner heli for me.
but for king 2, i have expected too much for it.
now the king 2 is only for display, i only fly compy 300 now...

[Technex]

Originally Posted by lyclyc

esky has got it's good and bad.
not all good.

i'm satisfied for the cp2 as a beginner heli for me.
but for king 2, i have expected too much for it.
now the king 2 is only for display, i only fly compy 300 now...

Yes, of course. But they're all safe to fly (as in no unexpected failures) and well proven.

Any heli can be dangerous (well with enough blade mass), I'm on about unexpected part/electrical failures.