Discussion HK 450 : hard to be cheaper for a 450

[osterizer]

Originally Posted by kilo2018

I agree as well. Better to upgrade the heli than upgrade HK-450. However instead of getting CopterX fro Ehibro I would recommend this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/Carbon-ARF-6CH-h...item2303932afd
The real difference between the two is the Ehibro one has a metal frame and this one from top racing has the carbon fiber frame.

Another TRex clone. Not what I had in mind.

[don_87]

Originally Posted by Hellysmack

Fixed pitch only changes head speed, so when coming down the head is slowing down (creating less damage)
Brining the stick down to quickly bringing blades in contact with the boom, in a positive pitch blades are reflected off. (Creating less damage)
On a negative pitch the blades are pulled down to dig in solid to the boom. (Creating more damage)
This is why fixed pitch helicopters are recommended for beginners, and why most that start out with Collective pitch have been told through the years to keep negative low or a little positive until they get use to the feel of its hover characteristics then dial more, and more negative as their skills improve.
Yes one might have a boom strike, but we could make sure a beginner has a boom strike by setting his helicopter up for full hard 3D I understand. What company are you selling parts for?

To all: Something I learned a long time ago, is read all you can and only choose what seems to ring true and make since with the majority of advice given and even that I have seen change from thread to thread year to year. Read your manuals know your equipment don’t get in a hurry, and when reading these threads find more than one opinion.

That is exactly what I did.....way back when.....
I followed the advice of Finless in his videos "-2 or even -1 negative pitch for beginners in normal mode".
Being a 'first timer', I didn't realize the amount of 'down force' -2 pitch would be on a 450, so I set it up that way.
Like all newbies......when you lift off.......even just "hopping", ya gotta come down......in 'normal' mode, this means ......"dropping the throttle".
That's why said it's best to set up with -1 degree negative pitch when just learning......ya still need a little negative 'just in case', you get a little breeze.
It's just the learning phase, everyone goes thru it.......one way or another.


Don

[don_87]

Originally Posted by suzyknorr

Hi All,

Im on my way to repairing and re-building my HK-450 and had a few quick imp queries.

1) Can I replace the HK-450 head with the Copterx head?
If yes, are there any changes i need to make for the same. Have noticed the linkages are the other way round and I will have to change it to long link to the left of heli and short one to the right of it.
2) Can I use the tail boom and tail assembly of Copterx?
If yes, are there any changes i need to make for the same. Have noticed there is no hole in the rear end of the Copterx boom for the tail assembly and HK tail assembly requires it so I cant use just the tail boom, will need to use the tail assembly as well.

Thanks in Advance,
Suzy

Suzy, with the tail facing toward you......the longer link should be on the right side of the heli. the reason is....(if it is installed the other way), with full collective and full cyclic, it can drive the servo arm into the oncoming gear(which will cause a major crash).
I know there is one video out there that shows the opposite way for setup, and it is the wrong way to do it.
Watch the finless videos and you will understand.


Good Luck
Don

[bionicbone]

Originally Posted by Hellysmack

I cannot answer for the Turnigy Plush never owned one.
I can say that the 40A TP has the same programming as my Hobby wing 35A ESC right down to the same music tunes.

As a hobbywing owner, I'd just like to say that after reading this I feel like I've been had

[Hellysmack]

Originally Posted by don_87

Suzy, with the tail facing toward you......the longer link should be on the right side of the heli. the reason is....(if it is installed the other way), with full collective and full cyclic, it can drive the servo arm into the oncoming gear(which will cause a major crash).
I know there is one video out there that shows the opposite way for setup, and it is the wrong way to do it.
Watch the finless videos and you will understand.


Good Luck
Don

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[Hellysmack]

Originally Posted by bionicbone

As a hobbywing owner, I'd just like to say that after reading this I feel like I've been had

When I got my Hobby wing it was the best price I could find at that time.

[Hellysmack]

I have been using the HelisimRC Because our newer computer has Vista (yuck). I kept our old out dated computer so I could continue using my Real flight Simulator. I had not used it for some time and it made me so mad with it want me to swap out one CD for another CD, between original, upgrade & add on’s.
I hope that they made here money because I will never buy another Real flight and their over protected software too many other great Simulators out now.
I see Horizion will have the Phoenix now, I think this has been out for a while if it is the one I seen at E-fest it looked awesome.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=RTM2500
anyone have this like? or dislikes?

[bionicbone]

Originally Posted by Hellysmack

When I got my Hobby wing it was the best price I could find at that time.

OK - Feeling better again, I've had mine quite awhile.

[bionicbone]

Hellysmack - I'm using RealFlight with Vista. Why does yours not work?

[suzyknorr]

Originally Posted by don_87

Suzy, with the tail facing toward you......the longer link should be on the right side of the heli. the reason is....(if it is installed the other way), with full collective and full cyclic, it can drive the servo arm into the oncoming gear(which will cause a major crash).
I know there is one video out there that shows the opposite way for setup, and it is the wrong way to do it.
Watch the finless videos and you will understand.


Good Luck
Don

Thanks Don. But im throughly confused now

The Hk-450 head comes with the long link on left of heli(my right) facing the nose and just the opposite on the Copterx.

Which one is the correct and recommended setup? Thanks alot.

Suzy

[dze]

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[don_87]

Originally Posted by suzyknorr

Thanks Don. But im throughly confused now

The Hk-450 head comes with the long link on left of heli(my right) facing the nose and just the opposite on the Copterx.

Which one is the correct and recommended setup? Thanks alot.

Suzy

The way I stated, the long link on the right side with the tail towards you.
Watch the Finless build videos.


Don


EDIT: Just like DZE shows in the above picture.

[suzyknorr]

Thanks Dze and Don!!! That pretty much explains everything

And obviously I have it all wrong, wonder why HK ships the head with the links in the wrong direction. Infact, I went ahead and changed the link on the Copterx head to fit it in the HK-450.

Back to the drawing board to switch the links back now.

Thanks,
S

[osterizer]

Ummmm someonoe should point out that it doesn't matter a whit which side the long or short links are on.

[Hellysmack]

Originally Posted by bionicbone

Hellysmack - I'm using RealFlight with Vista. Why does yours not work?

It was the first real flight that was upgraded to the real flight deluxe and then upgraded toG2 + adds ons, it is to old to work on vista. As I said I have kept one old computer with Window 98 just so I could keep using it.
What is a pain is it always asks for a different CD if you switch fields or change aircrafts. I spend more time swapping CD than practice.