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Old Feb 01, 2009, 06:32 PM
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I know this is a wierd request, but I need some help on this one. I have built a forward swept wing and am having trouble calculating where the CG should be. I entered the sweep as a negative number and the calculator did not like that.

If anyone has some ideas on this Thanks in advance.
You could calculate the CP graphically. I think that's related to what he's doing here.

Draw your planform.
Mark the root chord at 25%
Mark the tip chord at 25%
Extend the root chord aft by the length of the tip chord.
Extend the tip chord forward by the length of the root chord.
Draw a line from the extended forward end of the tip chord
to the extended aft end of the root chord line.
Draw a line from the root 25% mark to the tip 25% mark.

The intersection of those two lines is an approximation of the center of pressure. You'll probably want your CG forward of that point.

It's only an approximation. I'd guess you'll still need to experiment a little.
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Old Feb 01, 2009, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TjW
Draw your planform.
Mark the root chord at 25%
Mark the tip chord at 25%
Extend the root chord aft by the length of the tip chord.
Extend the tip chord forward by the length of the root chord.
Draw a line from the extended forward end of the tip chord
to the extended aft end of the root chord line.
Draw a line from the root 25% mark to the tip 25% mark.

The intersection of those two lines is an approximation of the center of pressure. You'll probably want your CG forward of that point.

It's only an approximation. I'd guess you'll still need to experiment a little.
Most of that is right but the spanwise line is from 50% at the root to 50% at the tip. The point where the diagonal constructions meet is called the centroid. The chord that passes through the centroid is commonly called the Mean Aerodynamic Chord. It's just a reference point. Calculating the actual aerodynamic center is very difficult

Some new guys have asked about the labels on the input and output boxes so here's a labeled drawing to shorten the learning curve:
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Old Feb 08, 2009, 12:38 AM
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It's very useful
thank U~
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Old Feb 24, 2009, 08:42 AM
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Hey nice project, I looking forward for new adds :P, would be nice to have the possibilito of includding some extra panels for bit more complicated wings , and somehow in my case the drawing did not change eventhough I put "0" for sweep :P

keep on going

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Old Feb 25, 2009, 05:25 PM
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Does adding vertical stabilizers that go behind the wing change the correct cg?
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Old Feb 26, 2009, 07:27 AM
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i just built a 48" pluto ( foam slope soarer )and with the c/g in plan was 162.5 mm from nose flying at this c/g was extremely difficult because of the elevators touchiness so added weight slowly it became better to fly but could not pull loops so went back to the plans c/g. your calculator brings it to 11.05 cm not 16.25 as in plan any one familiar with these flying wings some input would be appreciated
thanks
pluto specs in (cm)(wingspan 120.15)(root cord 29) (tip crd 18)(sweep 110)
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Old Feb 26, 2009, 07:37 AM
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correction on last post (sweep 11)
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Old Feb 26, 2009, 09:16 AM
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Hello My CG calculator also gives some 11.05 cm at 25% that is a good starting point for a flying wing. I have couple of questions is the Pluto similar to the Bluto?? does it have a fuse?? With planks It is always good to start wiht the GoG forward and slowly move it back till you get you desire flight condition. Because the forward CoG can be compensated with up trim that is reduced everytime you move the Cog Back.

on the other hand for a plank you need to have good servos, that come back to center and do not have to much loose conections.

the throws shold be rather small from 5 to 9 mm up and down and the mix usally reduces the elevator funtion of the elevons to 15% to 20%.

I uploaded a CoG Calculator to other thread, it had worked for me fro many years.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1003030

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Old Feb 26, 2009, 11:33 PM
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yes the pluto looks like a dead copy of the bluto and no fuse does have good servos installed but yes i beleive the plans c/g is way nose light but as said after wieghting the nose to flyable couldnt loop will have to persist i guess
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Old Mar 04, 2009, 05:08 PM
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Hello.

Do you consider aileron when you introduce root / tip chord?

Regards,

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Old Mar 04, 2009, 05:14 PM
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i include elevons at tip but not at root to take into account the motor cutout
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Old Mar 09, 2009, 12:45 PM
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Z80,

would it have been easier to build this program using VB? I was looking through the HTML and this must have taken you forever to code...

Good job man!
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Old Mar 13, 2009, 06:17 AM
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Nurflugel (Ranis) program

I'm new to this forum but I've been chatting with Peter Wick on another forum here in New Zealand and he is going through a tutorial to use the Ranis Nurflugel program for selecting the COG for a flying wing among other things, can follow the link here if you are interested
http://rcsoaringcommunities.co.nz/viewtopic.php
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Old Mar 29, 2009, 08:18 AM
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Hi!

What about an new feature for this useful program, concerning the following problem:
Many wing designs have no straight trailing edge, but rudders which are taped behind, thus leading to a gap in the middle.

An additional option to define rudder lenght in wingspan direction, and rudder lenght at both ends in flight direction would solve this problem.

Cheers,

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Old Apr 11, 2009, 11:04 AM
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Nice tool, Z80. I'll be using it a lot, making various wings. And thanks for keeping all the code in one HTML file instead of using external JS. Easy for anyone to use it offline by saving the web page.

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