Originally Posted by rperego

Hard to believe from the length of this thread I still have questions, but:

1. From the posts I'm unclear whether the foam covers over the spar should be glued in or just taped?

2. Is it worth setting it up for spoilerons?

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I received mine today as well, and to answer 1. on mine one of the foam covers was glued already, I glued the other one in as well. I taped it on the outside too, but without glue the wing would get almost no strength from that spar, and that would be a waste now wouldn't it ?

Originally Posted by Cubber1

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I received mine today as well, and to answer 1. on mine one of the foam covers was glued already, I glued the other one in as well. I taped it on the outside too, but without glue the wing would get almost no strength from that spar, and that would be a waste now wouldn't it ?

Some will argue NOT to glue the cover over the spar because you also cover the aileron servo wires - if you ever need to change the servo, you are going to have to cut the form.
However, IMHO I think it provides more strength if it is glued - that is what I have done.

Regarding the previous question about spoilerons, I haven't done it myself but it is on my list of trials to determine the value. Many people comment on how well this bird glides (often hard to get down) so spoilerons seem like a good option.

Originally Posted by pghern

Some will argue NOT to glue the cover over the spar because you also cover the aileron servo wires - if you ever need to change the servo, you are going to have to cut the form.
However, IMHO I think it provides more strength if it is glued - that is what I have done.

Regarding the previous question about spoilerons, I haven't done it myself but it is on my list of trials to determine the value. Many people comment on how well this bird glides (often hard to get down) so spoilerons seem like a good option.

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Well, the wing's strength is provided almost entirely by that spar, without it the wing could easily pull up in a high G-maneuver. I trust tape, but not that much, maybe I should hehe...
But of course you're right, changing the servos might be a hassle. However I prefer to have that job in the future, instead of the "oops one wing broke or came off" job...

Originally Posted by BrianL

Darn, I recently got the 6x5. Now I don't know what to do with it.

what do you think of it? seems very efficient for cruising around with great vertical, but just not very fast.... and VERY noisy! looks like you'll have to lash out $1.52 for a 6x4

Originally Posted by Batch1

AJ

What happen, before you recommend 6 X 4E after you measure trust, current, fly with it etc... ?

On a stock motor, I use a 5x5E. If I use a 2409-12t I use a 6x4 (or 7x4 for a wild ride). However, to get to the present moment, I have used many different props and manufacturers. Besides, he asked the recommended prop for the default setup. It doesn't matter what I use or recommend, the default prop is a 5x5E.
AJ

Originally Posted by Cubber1

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I don't know how you measured that wingspan. I measured mine just now and got a 128cm from tip to tip. The 1 missing cm I blame on my inaccuracy, but unless you've cut the wingtips off your I suggest get a new ruler

Same values are writed on the box like i have measured . Are two versions of the plane ?

Originally Posted by sebip

Same values are writed on the box like i have measured . Are two versions of the plane ?

Hmmmmm.... I just measured mine and go 1276mm (127.63cm). I am probably a little off. So, the advertised 1280mm seems accurate. I think there is only one version of this plane. So, I have a hard time believing 1127mm. Do you have a picture showing your measurements? Something is not right.
AJ

Guys, my FPV is now fully setup on AXN CF, the total flying weight is 860g. My question is - Is it still gonna float / glide with that weight?
Your thoughts? Thank you in advance.

Originally Posted by ajbaker

Hmmmmm.... I just measured mine and go 1276mm (127.63cm). I am probably a little off. So, the advertised 1280mm seems accurate. I think there is only one version of this plane. So, I have a hard time believing 1127mm. Do you have a picture showing your measurements? Something is not right.
AJ

The sizes writed on the box have me knocked first time , wingspan - 1127 mm and lenght - 830 mm . then i have opened the box and take the ruler. Saddly , the measurements give the same numbers :-( . Later i will upload pictures .

Originally Posted by sebip

The sizes writed on the box have me knocked first time , wingspan - 1127 mm and lenght - 830 mm . then i have opened the box and take the ruler. Saddly , the measurements give the same numbers :-( . Later i will upload pictures .

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Those numbers are outside my box too. The only way to reach those numbers must be to stop measuring as the wing starts to turn up. If you measure the assembled plane tip to tip it is nowhere near 112 cm, it is the adverticed 128, possibly 127 at worst.

Originally Posted by ajbaker

On a stock motor, I use a 5x5E. If I use a 2409-12t I use a 6x4 (or 7x4 for a wild ride). However, to get to the present moment, I have used many different props and manufacturers. Besides, he asked the recommended prop for the default setup. It doesn't matter what I use or recommend, the default prop is a 5x5E.
AJ

well i meant what most people here recommend for the default motor, not what HC recommends of course. if thats the 5x5E still then fine, makes it easier lol

Had my first flights with the clouds fly today - a very nice plane to fly !

Like some have mentioned, the ailerons with minimum throws makes it necessary to do big stick movements. I had the rudder on max throw, and that really had a lot more authority, but I'm used to turning with my ailerons, so did not use it much.

Thanks to those who gave the advice of COG at 50-55mm from leading edge. That made the plane fly very well, I had almost the feeling that it could not stall at all. Very docile flight characteristics.I guess my COG was around 50mm, and I flied with a little up elevator trimmed in for easier takeoff.

It glides a long way, and really needs space for landing well. Not that it's a bad thing, just different for somebody used to planes that become more similar to rocks when throttle is cut

Unfortunately my attempts at onboard video were a complete failure, with a weak mount, and a view that ended up looking at the sky 95% of the time.

Anyway, a nice new experience for somebody completely new to motor-gliders, a nice relaxing plane I'm sure, when I get used to it. And a good platform for a light camera, if I can get the mount right.

OK, I flew my hot rodded floater jet and it sure does move. I almost had a crash from taking off from the grass, but i recovered and got her up. I must say though that when I give it full throttle I notice it wants to lower the nose. Ive alredy have the motor pointed slightly more down than stock. Did I go the wrong way with it or should I return the angle of atack back to stock.

Originally Posted by yellowcolorado

OK, I flew my hot rodded floater jet and it sure does move. I almost had a crash from taking off from the grass, but i recovered and got her up. I must say though that when I give it full throttle I notice it wants to lower the nose. Ive alredy have the motor pointed slightly more down than stock. Did I go the wrong way with it or should I return the angle of atack back to stock.

The back of the motor (for clarity-where the prop mounts) has to go up more. Generally, the thrust line of the motor should go through the COG at the bottom of the wing. Therefore, if you return you motor to the stock position, it will REALLY dive when you go to WOT. Since the motor is behind the COG, it is opposite of a tractor configuration. I cannot tell which one is shimmed higher from the pictures. My eyes are old and crooked.
AJ

Originally Posted by ajbaker

The back of the motor (for clarity-where the prop mounts) has to go up more. Generally, the thrust line of the motor should go through the COG at the bottom of the wing. Therefore, if you return you motor to the stock position, it will REALLY dive when you go to WOT. Since the motor is behind the COG, it is opposite of a tractor configuration.
AJ

yellowcolorado added a nut under the 2 lower mount screws

will this prevent from nose going down at WOT? or should the nut under the 2 upper mount screws?
and is that size of this nut which gives an angle of 4 degrees i guess enough?